Working Timetable detail request

[Big Jumby 74]

A very small request, but as will become obvious, only for anyone who has any/access to WTT's for the Brummy area for the Winter 1978/79 period. The 13.35 Glasgow/13.23 Edinburgh to Bristol (Saturdays) was due a loco change at New Street. I'm looking for the TID of the train itself and more crucially the timings (and the 0xxx TID) of the light engine move from Saltley depot to New St to work same forward.

TIA.

PS: should have mentioned. This is only to add some completeness to workings I was involved with, but to which my own record keeping was to say the least, hit and miss!

 

[jfollows]

1V95 13:35 Glasgow Central to Taunton, I don’t have the other light engine details.

 

[Big Jumby 74]

1V95 13:35 Glasgow Central to Taunton, I don’t have the other light engine details.

Blimey! Thank you, that was PDQ....! So, with old planning head on, the // move was probably 0V95, but I won't bank on it...

 

[jfollows]

Blimey! Thank you, that was PDQ....! So, with old planning head on, the // move was probably 0V95, but I won't bank on it...

Agreed!

 

[AndrewE]

Blimey! Thank you, that was PDQ....! So, with old planning head on, the // move was probably 0V95, but I won't bank on it...

if it came from anywhere...
Didn't lots of locos just wait on the Bristol end holding sidings at New St by the Power Box, or was that just for electric locos? It avoided light engine running on the lines and through the junctions around Brum where paths were/are at a premium.

 

[Big Jumby 74]

Deleted. Not relevant.

 

[jfollows]

I also found https://www.tauntontrains.co.uk/workingslog/bycode/1V95 which is amusing although doesn’t help answer the question.

 

[Big Jumby 74]

if it came from anywhere...
Didn't lots of locos just wait on the Bristol end holding sidings at New St by the Power Box, or was that just for electric locos?

Perhaps. But not always?

 

[AndrewE]

Perhaps. But not always?

Undoubtedly. I guess it would have depended on whether the loco needed fuel (or water?) i.e. what the diagram was and what depot it was allocated to. I would imagine Bath Road, but I didn't have any dealings with the diagrams ("programmes" back then) for those locos or services.
A set of loco diagrams would be interesting to see... there seem to be loads of Carriage Working Notices around on the internet, but I don't remember seeing loco (or traincrew) workings.

 

[Big Jumby 74]

A set of loco diagrams would be interesting to see... there seem to be loads of Carriage Working Notices around on the internet, but I don't remember seeing loco (or traincrew) workings.

Ditto. I saved a number of CWN's from my old patch including some I produced, but loco diagrams (on paper as they were) are all but non existent, even those of my ex loco diagram colleagues who are still with us (all retired) have lost all touch with any work they spent their life producing. It was a throw away world, as soon as a new timetable was produced (May/December) the old paper copies of diagrams went in the bin, we just didn't have filing cabinet space to keep anything more than about the previous years details. With space at a premium am even now considering donating much of the CWN material I have to somewhere or other that might free up some space in my abode. Who ever said the computer world would be paper free? What a load of ball twoddle...!

 

[Magdalia]

A very small request, but as will become obvious, only for anyone who has any/access to WTT's for the Brummy area for the Winter 1978/79 period. The 13.35 Glasgow/13.23 Edinburgh to Bristol (Saturdays) was due a loco change at New Street.

if it came from anywhere...
Didn't lots of locos just wait on the Bristol end holding sidings at New St by the Power Box, or was that just for electric locos? It avoided light engine running on the lines and through the junctions around Brum where paths were/are at a premium.

My recollection is that the booked traction was a class 45/1 and the diagram was as follows:

0815 Bristol-Glasgow to New Street
0920 Liverpool-Penzance between New Street and Gloucester
1110 Plymouth-Manchester between Gloucester and New Street
1335 Glasgow-Taunton from New Street

The loco being ETH only it did not need to go to Saltley for boiler water, I think it sat on the middle road between platforms 9 and 10 while laying over at New Street.

The sidings by the power box were usually for electric locos not diesels.

 

[Big Jumby 74]

The loco being ETH only it did not need to go to Saltley for boiler water, I think it sat on the middle road between platforms 9 and 10 while laying over at New Street.

Perhaps on the day I remember it was a STP move for the loco for whatever reason? Whilst (I was) killing time at SY, the depot supervisor found a driver to work a loco to New street on the day to work the (18.15 sic), to Bristol, and I was given the nod that this was the fastest way back to New Street, so who was I to refuse....

 

[Magdalia]

Perhaps on the day I remember it was a STP move for the loco for whatever reason? Whilst (I was) killing time at SY, the depot supervisor found a driver to work a loco to New street on the day to work the (18.15 sic), to Bristol, and I was given the nod that this was the fastest way back to New Street, so who was I to refuse....

There would usually be time for the loco to go to Saltley and back, I wouldn't be able to say for sure whether it was in the diagram or not.

 

[Albaman]

Ditto. I saved a number of CWN's from my old patch including some I produced, but loco diagrams (on paper as they were) are all but non existent, even those of my ex loco diagram colleagues who are still with us (all retired) have lost all touch with any work they spent their life producing. It was a throw away world, as soon as a new timetable was produced (May/December) the old paper copies of diagrams went in the bin, we just didn't have filing cabinet space to keep anything more than about the previous years details. With space at a premium am even now considering donating much of the CWN material I have to somewhere or other that might free up some space in my abode. Who ever said the computer world would be paper free? What a load of ball twoddle...!

I am unable to add anything to the original post, but the above reminded me that around this time before word processing and when correspondence was produced by typists, old paper copies of diagrams were given to the typing pool for use as carbon copies . I think the idea was to reduce costs by not using plain white paper as a carbon copy. I recall always turning the carbon copy over to see what train crew or loco diagram was shown which I probably found more interesting than the subject of the correspondence.

 

[Harpo]

Back in the 70s/80s huge numbers of local ancilliary moves never appeared in WTTs and were only in station working books or diagrams.

Most big boxes had to manually write simplifier sheets so that they could signal everything correctly including any shunts to attach/detach vans etc..