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Working nights. And a rest day question

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Without wishing to be pedantic can you break this down a bit more for us.....

Assuming you're on a contracted 35hr week, then working Mon-Thurs (finishing at 0400 Friday) then starting at 0600 Saturday means you are effectively working a six day week. How is this so or have you volunteered for extra work? If you were on earlies, why did you finish at 0400 on the Friday, or did you mean to say nights?

I'm used to shift work in the police, but I was under the assumption that if I was going to reduce my hours to 35hrs p/w I'd actually be spending less time at work than I am now! The freight rotations I'm reading here don't sound that appealing.

It's a bit worrying that you have no idea what you're doing next week, which must make it a nightmare to plan any sort of life. I'm used to being issued a whole years' roster every April...admittedly the start/finish times will vary according to 'events' but the rest days are fairly solid.

Can anyone shed any light on what DBS rosters are like?

Sorry, I missed an integral part of my post. Was earlies monday-Wednesday then worked a single night turn Thursday (into RD Friday) then back at 0600 Saturday.

While we are only contracted a 35hr week it is averaged over a 16 week period. So I could work 20hrs one week then 50+ the next week. Rosters only come out on Thursday evenings for the following week.
 
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The airline I used to work for had a clause in the union contract that said shifts signing on after 2200 would count as the following day. Therefore, we were first shift of a three shift day: 2200-0630, 0600-1430, and 1400-2230. If I had a weekend, I would work until 0600 on Friday morning, then off until 2200 on Sunday for Monday's shift.

Whether this or the railway day is better? I think it's six of one or a half-dozen of the other. While I think rostering a shift to start at 2359 is a bit cheeky, you still do get those hours off whether it's on the day before or the day after.

You'll feel better if you think of it in terms of hours worked and hours off, not days.
 

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Sorry, I missed an integral part of my post. Was earlies monday-Wednesday then worked a single night turn Thursday (into RD Friday) then back at 0600 Saturday.

While we are only contracted a 35hr week it is averaged over a 16 week period. So I could work 20hrs one week then 50+ the next week. Rosters only come out on Thursday evenings for the following week.

Thanks for the info. I have no issue with the shift work or varied start times, it's not knowing when RD's will fall from one week to the next that causes concern. That will make planning family and social events a nightmare. Hmmmm!
 

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I've worked shifts where I finish at (for example) 0600 and been back in at 1800 after my 12 hours rest. Its certainly not uncommon.

That isn't a rest day though as previously quoted the first rest day is a 32 hour break in many cases before you will book back on for duty.
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Thanks for the info. I have no issue with the shift work or varied start times, it's not knowing when RD's will fall from one week to the next that causes concern. That will make planning family and social events a nightmare. Hmmmm!

Working on the railway and a family/social life does not always work for instance this year my New Years Eve shift is 15.00 to 01.00 so the party at my house is out for me and to add to it I will get home with everyone else drunk.
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Thanks for the info. I have no issue with the shift work or varied start times, it's not knowing when RD's will fall from one week to the next that causes concern. That will make planning family and social events a nightmare. Hmmmm!

Rest day patterns are normally constant, if I stayed in the same link I would know if I had a rest day on New Years Eve in 2020 for instance.
 

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Thanks for the info. I have no issue with the shift work or varied start times, it's not knowing when RD's will fall from one week to the next that causes concern. That will make planning family and social events a nightmare. Hmmmm!

As TDK said above. You do know when your rest days fall (unless you are on one of those awful dynamic type rosters) but if you are available for overtime you will not know if you are working them untill the weekly or daily rosters comes out.

Its a case of if you wan't the extra money you have to deal with the short notice or if you wan't a bit more rigidity you will have to fore go the overtime...but you will still have to put up with the short notice rostered workings and generally fatigue inducing roster pattens.

My rosters just come out tonight for next week and from Sunday I am... AV (no job...thats good;)), early, early, night, night, rest day, early (rest day worked).
 

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Working on the railway and a family/social life does not always work for instance this year my New Years Eve shift is 15.00 to 01.00 so the party at my house is out for me and to add to it I will get home with everyone else drunk.

Rest day patterns are normally constant, if I stayed in the same link I would know if I had a rest day on New Years Eve in 2020 for instance.

I know how you feel, I'm doing 2200-0600 on NYE this year. Hopefully get an earlier prisoner so I get in the warm :p

As TDK said above. You do know when your rest days fall (unless you are on one of those awful dynamic type rosters) but if you are available for overtime you will not know if you are working them untill the weekly or daily rosters comes out.

Its a case of if you wan't the extra money you have to deal with the short notice or if you wan't a bit more rigidity you will have to fore go the overtime...but you will still have to put up with the short notice rostered workings and generally fatigue inducing roster pattens.

My rosters just come out tonight for next week and from Sunday I am... AV (no job...thats good;)), early, early, night, night, rest day, early (rest day worked).

Thanks for the info. If you know when your RDs fall then that makes a world of difference. I'm not asking for the sake of being awkward, I think it's best (and responsible) to get an idea of what you are applying for before getting too far into the application process. Forewarned is forearmed and all that!
 

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, I think it's best (and responsible) to get an idea of what you are applying for before getting too far into the application process. Forewarned is forearmed and all that!

Fully agree!
 

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I know how you feel, I'm doing 2200-0600 on NYE this year. Hopefully get an earlier prisoner so I get in the warm :p



Thanks for the info. If you know when your RDs fall then that makes a world of difference. I'm not asking for the sake of being awkward, I think it's best (and responsible) to get an idea of what you are applying for before getting too far into the application process. Forewarned is forearmed and all that!

It is very refreshing to see someone on this forum who is willing to investigate all the aspects of a role rather than go for it and moan afterwards. There are rare occasions where rest day patterns may change and this is usually down to link progression, more drivers joining the business so therefore a link getting extra lines but even then there is usually someone in the link who is willing to swap with you for the same rest day pattern you are on. The most frequent pattern for many TOC's is:

MON RD
TUE RD
WED Work
THU Work
FRI Work
SAT Work
SUN (usually committed)
MON Work
TUE Work
WED RD
THU RD
FRI Work
SAT Work
SUN (Usually committed)
MON Work
TUE Work
WED Work
THU Work
FRI RD
SAT RD
SUN (guaranteed OFF)

This way the link has to be divisible by 3 for obvious reasons and you will not be rostered a Sunday if you are from late shift on a Sat to early shift on a Mon.

So therefore every 3 weeks you will get what we call a long weekend being Fri - Tue off. This I think is only with TOC's and not FOC's.
 

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Shifts and how the rosters are planned are hot topic with is at the minute. For example I was lates last week coming in after twelve hours rest Friday and Saturday which for me is about 9 hours at home onto Earlies.

Regarding nights the last set I done finish 0530 on the Sunday back in for 0500 Monday. Absolute killer

When I worked similar times I would go to bed about 1000am on the Sunday and got up about midnight, ready for the early Monday start - effectively having 2 x sleeps in one go to get back onto the pattern.

I feel worse after short naps - I guess everyone's different
 

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Regarding nights the last set I done finish 0530 on the Sunday back in for 0500 Monday. Absolute killer

You need to check your terms and conditions because at the minimum with some TOC's you have to have 24 hours break before booking on and with others it is actually 36 hours. I suspect this was dodgy rostering.
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When I worked similar times I would go to bed about 1000am on the Sunday and got up about midnight, ready for the early Monday start - effectively having 2 x sleeps in one go to get back onto the pattern.

I feel worse after short naps - I guess everyone's different

If I am on nights I will stay up all night the night before my night shift even if it is a rest day and go to bed at about 5am, get 7 or 8 hours sleep, this way I am never tired on a night shift as I have prepared myself for it.
 

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So therefore every 3 weeks you will get what we call a long weekend being Fri - Tue off. This I think is only with TOC's and not FOC's.

At my FOC, ground staff wise we have 10 men at my depot therefore its a 10 week roster. During that 10 weeks we are committed to three Saturday turns and two sunday turns. We also have 2 weeks where we have a long weekend off Friday to Wednesday (week 1) and Wednesday to Sunday (week 3). Further down the roster we have a bank of 9 rest days of in a row.
 

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I know how you feel, I'm doing 2200-0600 on NYE this year. Hopefully get an earlier prisoner so I get in the warm :p

There is a very nice DI at my depot who owes me a favour, I wonder if he will swap me and he is the same rest day pattern as me (you know who you are :) )
 

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If you are not used to what shift work is then it will be alien to anyone, I have worked every kind of shift pattern that has been done at some point in my working career, the one that I have not done was the day shift, mon to fri 9 til 5 or there about and I found this very hard and very mundane, just because of the fact that it is something that I am not familiar with and did not know how to plan my time right.
The shift pattern I was working before joining the railway was a 12hr shift, 4 days on, 4 off, 4 nights on, 4 off, then back to days and so on, very nice for me and simple, I knew what my shift was months and months in advance as it was there on paper. The hrs were 6am to 6pm for days and 6pm to 6am for nights. When I finished at 6am on my last night shift that day was, even though I was sleeping most of, my rest day, thats how it is, the beauty about these shifts is that when I booked 4 days holiday I had 12 days off. The down side is that your shift pattern is your shift pattern and for Christmas of 2012 I worked Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Boxing Day and the day after on Nights.
It is as they say swings and round-a-bouts, if I would of stayed at that company then I would of had the whole of Christmas off for 2013, as it happens I was off anyway.
My point is, it is what it is, you get on with it and take the positives there is to shift work, I worked effectively 6 months and had 6 months off, each month I worked about 15 days and 15 off and my holidays.
Things are slightly different now but I still take all the positives from my shift pattern now.
 

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As MDD I work mostly 8, 11 or 12 hrs per shift and its nearly a 3 day week. With annual leave and rest days I have over 7 and a half months off every year.
 
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