Not started yet.
What's the delay with the training?
Probably because the usual array of typical CAF bugs need to be fixed first. Buy cheap buy twice.
Neither have Aslef
This is costing the industry a fortune at a time when it can ill afford to have wasted costs. There has been a catastrophic failure to get the unions on board at multiple operators now and nett outcome is 100's millions pounds worth of rolling stock left idle while time expired emission unfriendly kit has to soldier on. These are basically a 195 like the 730's are an Aventura but each operator is treating them like they are a complete new design elongating the time to get them into use. Covid may have caused some delays but its also masking the seriousness of the issue while we have reduced demand but that reduction will gradually reduce the further we go into 2022. GBR really ought to get a big hitter appointed to get a grip of new rolling stock introduction and learn some serious lessons from what has been going on across almost the entire industry.
Should be 012 rather than 120.
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You do realise that these aren't ready for passenger service currently right? The reason these aren't in service has nothing to do with unions, there's a reason CAF are known as "Cheap As F*CK" and the 196s have had lots of issues through testing.
"Informed Sources" Third Law applies: 'Always mistrust schedules based on the seasons.'
Yup thats why the industry needs a complete overhaul by GBR to bring some order to this all. I wasn't blaming unions far from it its the failure of TOC mgt to have them inside the tent from the outset that has caused this delay along with at least 3 other operators now. So we need a reset is what im saying otherwise you risk the likes of Daily Mail taking pictures of sidings full of new trains quoting millions being wasted and that won't do future investment of the industry any good.
GBR needs to tackle the absurd notion of having Train Leasing Companies to start with!
Why is it absurd? We’d never have had the number of new trains that have been built over the last 25 years if it wasn’t for leasing. The train companies have 7-15 year length contracts; they would find it difficult to fund a 35-year life asset and the government wouldn’t have wanted the additional borrowing on its books.
I've edited it now. Typo mistake on my part sorry.
Spot on. CAF should have built class 195/0 /1 /2 and /3 and the industry should have accepted them as such and created all the training and competency regime similarly. There are three different TOCs operating effectively the same trains, albeit with and without gangways, altered door layouts and some fitted with ERTMS, The joined up approach would have been to follow the 2nd generation DMU principle where classes such as 150 were designed and built and operated by BR into the sectors and into privatisation with very little "classness". Was there so much delay into service with Bombardier built class 387/1 /2 and /3 ?
Because it is a pure profit making exercise and it lead to franchises saying they are investing billions in new stock when they really aren't.
Yep. And in the airline industry it's the norm - why? Because it's the option that best reduces financial overheads, reduces risk to operators, and provides flexibility to operators.
Class 387s were normal Rosco leases, of an EMU type well into maturity (though that hasn't stopped the later Aventra version's heavy delays).
196111 has now got 4 cars. It's a complete unit now.
Wow, must be something pretty serious that's cropped up very recently given Head of Fleet only gave the Spring date in the last week.
Whilst I’m not disputing the veracity of your claim, I’d be interested to know roughly where this information has come from as Dec 2023 is a huge leap — it’s nearly two years away! @newtownmgr @Sprinter107 anything you’d be able to corroborate?
EMR doesn’t have enough units to run its Regional service as it stands; so it should not be handing back the relatively few 170s that it currently has.
The units
I have not heard anything, I immagine its a flippant remark from a member of staff over the 196's. I await @newtownmgr @Sprinter107 to reply.
Not heard anything.