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95 was quite reliable but cannot say the same for Windows 98 (or ME) that were unreliable on the then expensive Time computers desktop.
Windows ME was an absolute joke and the cd was very quickly turned into a coaster where I lived at the time. A real 2 bit botch job of a quasi 32 bit operating system built on unstable 16 bit underpinnings. MS who really shouldn't have bothered knowing full well that an NT-based consumer product was on the horizon...Win 98 SE could have been kept going a little longer.
 
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Windows ME was an absolute joke and the cd was very quickly turned into a coaster where I lived at the time. A real 2 bit botch job of a quasi 32 bit operating system built on unstable 16 bit underpinnings. MS who really shouldn't have bothered knowing full well that an NT-based consumer product was on the horizon...Win 98 SE could have been kept going a little longer.
I'm not sure why Me ended up being quite so bad. To some extent it was Win98 3rd edition so should have been much the same as 98SE.

Though it only existed because they missed the boat on producing a consumer edition of Windows 2000. In 1999, what would eventually become XP was 2 years away so they felt they needed one more spin of the 9x line, but with a name that didn't evoke the previous decade.
 

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Windows ME was an absolute joke and the cd was very quickly turned into a coaster where I lived at the time. A real 2 bit botch job of a quasi 32 bit operating system built on unstable 16 bit underpinnings. MS who really shouldn't have bothered knowing full well that an NT-based consumer product was on the horizon...Win 98 SE could have been kept going a little longer.
Worth noting that extended support for Win 98 (all versions iirc, not just SE) ended on 11th July 2006, the same day as ME's extended support came to a end, though MS had originally planned to cease ME extended support at the end of 2004.

I'm not sure why Me ended up being quite so bad. To some extent it was Win98 3rd edition so should have been much the same as 98SE.

Though it only existed because they missed the boat on producing a consumer edition of Windows 2000. In 1999, what would eventually become XP was 2 years away so they felt they needed one more spin of the 9x line, but with a name that didn't evoke the previous decade.
That was what the Neptune project was originally intended to be at it's core, before it was merged with the Odyssey project (intended to be the successor to 2000 for business customers) for the combined teams to work on a new project codenamed Whistler, which eventually became XP.

Though I may have some details backwards or completely wrong, that is what I seem to remember reading a couple years ago when looking into XP's development history. This reworking and merging of projects at MS led to the year long delay that spawned the last gasp of the MS-DOS/9x line in the form of ME which, as you say, effectively was Win98 3rd Edition.

This video on ME to see if it's bad rep is wholly earned by retro-tech YouTuber LGR should be of relevence, if for no other reason than bile fascination by some here lol

 

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Generally i think those who really want Linux or similar are buying from these smaller companies or building their own instead of getting something from Currys or John Lewis.
Or we're buying used. I've got a couple of older used ex-business desktops which cost next to nothing, the most recent one came with an i7 CPU plus a RAM and SSD upgrade, it runs modern Linux (Kubuntu 24.04 at present) perfectly and cost so little it's virtually a throwaway purchase (it cost me less than my day out at the GCR Diesel gala on Saturday!).

Because it's one of Dell's business PCs (Optiplex 7010 mini-tower) it's better built, easier to work on and has more variety of ports than their normal consumer models. It's only got Intel graphics, so you'd need to add a GPU if you were a serious gamer (I'm not) but that's about the only drawback. Also I've got my previous lower spec version of the same model, which was even cheaper, works as a backup/test device and can be cannibalised for parts if needed. Absolutely zero need for any warranties!
 

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You can't talk about Windows 95 without mentioning 'The Microsoft Sound' aka the system's start-up sound, possibly the best known OS start up sound of them all, barring XP:


This was recorded by Brian Eno (on a Mac, ironically enough lol) and has come to embody the step-change to personal computing that 95 represented to such a extent that it was inducted into the Library of Congress' Recordings Archive eariler this year.
Brian Eno said: “The thing from the agency said, ‘We want a piece of music that is inspiring, universal, blah-blah, da-da-da, optimistic, futuristic, sentimental, emotional,’ this whole list of adjectives, and then at the bottom, it said ‘and it must be 3.25 seconds long.”
Some article I read years and years ago said (after Brian's quote): The result was the 6-second Windows 95 startup sound... :lol:
 

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I'm not sure why Me ended up being quite so bad. To some extent it was Win98 3rd edition so should have been much the same as 98SE.

Though it only existed because they missed the boat on producing a consumer edition of Windows 2000. In 1999, what would eventually become XP was 2 years away so they felt they needed one more spin of the 9x line, but with a name that didn't evoke the previous decade.
As I understand it ME's main issues was that it was enough like 98 that drivers meant for 98 would work, sort of, so that's what some manufacturers did. Those drivers would then cause the system to become unstable. Use drivers designed for ME and no issues.

Win 95 had the issue that 16bit programs were handled differently and did not use pre-emptive multi-tasking like 32bit programs. As such the failure of a 16bit program would crash the system but if a 32bit one failed you could usually end the program and all was well. 98 fixed that issue.
It is important to remember that MACOS still used cooperative multi-tasking (until OSX?) so a program failure was more of an issue.
 

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Use drivers designed for ME and no issues.
If memory serves me correctly ME-specific drivers were really hard to come by around the time of ME's release precisely because the 'our Win9x drivers should be fine' attitude was prevalent amongst vendors. Pick any of poor pre-release enablement of partners by Microsoft, vendor laziness or intransigence or a mix thereof. Whatever the cause the ME experience around release was pretty miserable.

As we're delving into that era of Microsoft where WinME was the worst of all worlds, Windows 2000 was the opposite end of the spectrum. I used it on my company laptop at the time and quite honestly for me it's still the best new OS experience I've had (other than my first time switching to a Mac). Rock solid, decent to look at, performant and did everything asked of it with no complaint. Quite amazed at how few people actually remember it! I assume everyone was dazzled by the green, green grass of Windows XP the following year!
 

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If memory serves me correctly ME-specific drivers were really hard to come by around the time of ME's release precisely because the 'our Win9x drivers should be fine' attitude was prevalent amongst vendors. Pick any of poor pre-release enablement of partners by Microsoft, vendor laziness or intransigence or a mix thereof. Whatever the cause the ME experience around release was pretty miserable.

As we're delving into that era of Microsoft where WinME was the worst of all worlds, Windows 2000 was the opposite end of the spectrum. I used it on my company laptop at the time and quite honestly for me it's still the best new OS experience I've had (other than my first time switching to a Mac). Rock solid, decent to look at, performant and did everything asked of it with no complaint. Quite amazed at how few people actually remember it! I assume everyone was dazzled by the green, green grass of Windows XP the following year!
I suspect not many remember it as it wasn't sold to retail customers.
It was also unsurprisingly a fair bit chunkier than Win98SE which had minimum requirements of a 486 and 24MB of RAM, win2k was a Pentium and 32MB, though it really wanted a Pentium II and 128MB. I ran it myself at university thanks to a cheap student licence to upgrade from the 98SE I got with the PC.
Although Win2k was definitely a good OS, I suspect there wasn't the third-party support i.e. drivers or applications still stuck in the old ways that meant it couldn't have widespread release.
By the time XP came out, shipping hardware had moved on and MS had made it clear that this was the future line.
 

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If memory serves me correctly ME-specific drivers were really hard to come by around the time of ME's release precisely because the 'our Win9x drivers should be fine' attitude was prevalent amongst vendors. Pick any of poor pre-release enablement of partners by Microsoft, vendor laziness or intransigence or a mix thereof. Whatever the cause the ME experience around release was pretty miserable.

As we're delving into that era of Microsoft where WinME was the worst of all worlds, Windows 2000 was the opposite end of the spectrum. I used it on my company laptop at the time and quite honestly for me it's still the best new OS experience I've had (other than my first time switching to a Mac). Rock solid, decent to look at, performant and did everything asked of it with no complaint. Quite amazed at how few people actually remember it! I assume everyone was dazzled by the green, green grass of Windows XP the following year!
We used windows 2000 for the machines we used for our IT course at college, these were machines that were found for us to use and weren't that special so W2K was perfect. They ended up also running VMware workstation with W2K advanced server and another instance of W2K. All that and no more than 512Mb RAM!
 

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If memory serves me correctly ME-specific drivers were really hard to come by around the time of ME's release precisely because the 'our Win9x drivers should be fine' attitude was prevalent amongst vendors. Pick any of poor pre-release enablement of partners by Microsoft, vendor laziness or intransigence or a mix thereof. Whatever the cause the ME experience around release was pretty miserable.

As we're delving into that era of Microsoft where WinME was the worst of all worlds, Windows 2000 was the opposite end of the spectrum. I used it on my company laptop at the time and quite honestly for me it's still the best new OS experience I've had (other than my first time switching to a Mac). Rock solid, decent to look at, performant and did everything asked of it with no complaint. Quite amazed at how few people actually remember it! I assume everyone was dazzled by the green, green grass of Windows XP the following year!
I think, if one were to rank NT-based Windows OSes in terms of reliability, usability & stability, 2000, XP and 7 (especially after the service packs for the latter pair) would be at the top of the pile. Of the post-3.1 MS-DOS/9x-based systems, prolly 95 and/or 98 though that architecture is intrinstically less stable than NT so it's a bit more of a grey area.

The main reason I think Win 2000 gets overlooked in the wider Windows pantheon is because of it's very nature & purpose as a business/server-orientated OS while XP replaced both it and ME under the Home & Professional monikers (and went on to become one of the most ubiquitous OSes in history lol). Though apparently those who did use 2000 really rated it highly for it's stability compared to ME.
 

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Point indeed taken; the company laptop was purely for work and W2K would never have enabled anything fun to run on it. For my work usage it was ultimate pre-XP Windows version (the combination of the refurbed UI in WinME and the full 32 bit NT reliability) and it ran sysadmin and corporate apps incredibly well. I do recall expensing my ($60!) copy of WinME to test on our corporate desktops. With the benefit of hindsight those tests were an utterly daft idea!
 

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I don't get why there were so many Windows operating systems released in such a short timeframe from 1998 to 2001. How much did PC technology change in 4 years?
June 1998 - Windows 98
June 1999 - Windows 98 SE
February 2000 - Windows 2000
September 2000 - Windows Me
October 2001 - Windows XP
 

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I don't get why there were so many Windows operating systems released in such a short timeframe from 1998 to 2001. How much did PC technology change in 4 years?
June 1998 - Windows 98
June 1999 - Windows 98 SE
February 2000 - Windows 2000
September 2000 - Windows Me
October 2001 - Windows XP
Windows 2000 was the successor to 1996’s NT4.0, as noted previously in this thread Me was a stopgap for the consumer market.

But yes, it was an era of massive improvements. The top end CPU when Win98 came out was a 400MHz Pentium II, when XP came out it was a 2GHz P4. Windows 95 didn’t come with a browser and USB hadn’t been invented.

The difference was that the expectation was that updates would be bundled together into a new version that would be paid for, unlike today where a new OS build comes along every six months or a year for free.
 

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Windows 2000 was the successor to 1996’s NT4.0, as noted previously in this thread Me was a stopgap for the consumer market.
Just to be a little clearer for @frankmoh, NT4.0 and 2000 were professional operating systems (NT-based), whereas 95, 98 and Me were consumer operating systems / OSs (still DOS-based). (Although some PC enthusiasts did use 2000 for consumer use - it had much better DirectX / gaming support than NT4.0 for a pre-XP NT-based/professional OS, while having the stability and other advantages over the consumer DOS-based 98/Me).

XP brought together consumer (XP Home Edition) and professional (XP Professional), retiring DOS as a base and using NT as a base for both. This continues to the present day - even Windows 10 and 11 for all usage markets are technically NT-based OSs.
 
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