Just to point out - things move and trains do get struck. All it takes is the combination of a structure that's just on the limit of what's allowable clearance wise, a little subsidence or track maintenance and a failed suspension bag and *bang* there goes the top of your head.
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221129
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I can assure they do not!
Has anyone seen anyone actually being told off for doing this?
Mainline421
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Actually they do since 1996, Railway Group Standard GI/RT7073. See page 19 of https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...nt_data/file/615660/R092017_170525_Balham.pdf. I'm not saying there is nowhere without sufficient clearance as there obviously is but it is pretty easy to spot and certainly rare.
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221129
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Yes many times. Even seen people thrown off after ignoring the second warnings.
221129
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I susggest you travel through out the West Country, and then tell me it is a rare occurrence.
Mainline421
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I can assure I have done so and leant out the window. The structures you refer to must be quite old. I'm not sure what you're problem is with it or why you're sure of things you seem not to know about. Would like to hear some examples of "people thrown off" I can only assume they were engaging in flailing, bellowing or similar which is a different matter.
bramling
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There have certainly in the past been routes where stock has been required to be fitted with window bars in order to be allowed to carry passengers. Oxted Tunnel springs to mind.
Iskra
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The LHCS currently on the Cumbrian Coast line had to have window bars installed due to the limited clearances, to give a current example.
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Bertie the bus
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I must admit that did make me chuckle.
Yes
They have a much more relaxed view to health & safety on the continent, and people take personal responsibility (this is now becoming an alien concept for us
)They have a much more relaxed view to health & safety on the continent, and people take personal responsibility (this is now becoming an alien concept for us
Definitely. But only tonight I slipped over on seven freshly washed floors, tripped over five kerbs (and broke both ankles) and fell off at least one cliff so you can never be too careful.
Some of us need to be warned.
Mainline421
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Nope, what I said was "Network Rail actually makes an effort to maintain a wider clearance on routes where stock with droplights are regularly used" my point being that the rail industry is well aware that this is a frequent occurrence. I have mentioned in a later post that there are obviously still some places without the additional clearance.
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I think as the use of stock with drop lights has gone down (since the removal of mk3s on WCML and slam-door southern stock) it has become more common to be told off about window hanging.
At the end of last year, I was leaving St Pancras on a HST and the platform staff were very quick to tell me off even when it was still in the platform! Mind you, I just waited until it had left the platform, then there wasn't much they could do about it.
As mentioned before, the signs are there to warn you about your own safety. If your stupid enough to put your head of the window when your on a 90 doing 100mph then yeah your stupid. But, if your leaving the platform.. you should be ok until it picks up speed. Let's face it, we've all been there
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Ross
At the end of last year, I was leaving St Pancras on a HST and the platform staff were very quick to tell me off even when it was still in the platform! Mind you, I just waited until it had left the platform, then there wasn't much they could do about it.
As mentioned before, the signs are there to warn you about your own safety. If your stupid enough to put your head of the window when your on a 90 doing 100mph then yeah your stupid. But, if your leaving the platform.. you should be ok until it picks up speed. Let's face it, we've all been there
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Ross
DarloRich
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Are you sure about that?
and that? Please set out how it is done "properly"
Xenophon PCDGS
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Perhaps I am not conversant with such practices as that in the title of this thread, but I can see neither rhyme nor reason why such a bad habit should ever take place.
All those scratches down the side of my unit......
No it's not. If you can't write a procedure to show how it can be done properly (and I can't), then it shouldn't be done.
I'd put bars on all droplight windows for all stock used on the mainline. Period.
StephenHunter
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I still have memories of that Roald Dahl written, Quentin Blake illustrated safety booklet where you see a kid's decapitated head flying away from the train...
Which is why I never do window hanging like that. Stand in the vestibule, yes, but not stick my head out. When I was on the Caledonian Sleeper last year, the droplight was down and a Pendolino went past in the opposite direction... got hit by a rather strong gust there.
Which is why I never do window hanging like that. Stand in the vestibule, yes, but not stick my head out. When I was on the Caledonian Sleeper last year, the droplight was down and a Pendolino went past in the opposite direction... got hit by a rather strong gust there.
I remember that as well!
Mutant Lemming
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I recall being paid to lean out of a door of a moving train.
No special training was given apart from being told to hang on and watch the train out for three quarters of the platform length.
No special training was given apart from being told to hang on and watch the train out for three quarters of the platform length.
And when was that? Bet it wasn't in the last 20 years!
Sprinter153
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Far from everyone. I will ask those doing it to stop, and in extreme circumstances I will ask them to leave the service. A straw poll of colleagues indicates I'm far from the only one.
I tend to close the windows as I walk through the train, to be fair, to discourage this sort of behaviour and also for safety's sake around high speed crossovers (I'm thinking Didcot East) where someone standing next to an open window in a vestibule could go flying if they weren't expecting the jolt.
I don't blame them. I don't really like anyone hanging out of a door during the dispatch process (including watching the train out of the platform). It can be a visibility problem, and it's hard to differentiate your average window-hanger from Joe Public who was only helping Granny Goggins get on the train and is now playing with the handle trying to get out!
The signs are red 'prohibition' type signs, saying quite clearly DO NOT. Note, that doesn't mean DO NOT, UNLESS YOU THINK YOU'LL BE SAFE BECAUSE YOU'RE AN 'EXPERT'.
Temple Meads
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If 'window hanging' is always, completely, unsafe then an industry as safety aware as the railway wouldn't allow guards to have their head out of a window on departure from stations.
Never done it here, but in Mumbai have had to hold on to the door rails and hang on to the side on the Suburban trains
Also been hanging out the vestibules several times, actually most of the peak times, indeed now that I'm over here, just a few days ago was pretty much outside the train, with two feet planted into the vestibule, and holding on for dear life
Fun ( and also very dangerous), but have had to do it to catch the train, never just For the fun of it
Also been hanging out the vestibules several times, actually most of the peak times, indeed now that I'm over here, just a few days ago was pretty much outside the train, with two feet planted into the vestibule, and holding on for dear life
Fun ( and also very dangerous), but have had to do it to catch the train, never just For the fun of it
Many don't.
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What you have said is wrong. Youve deliberately taken a few words out of context and added your own embellishment, which in reality is a figment of your imagination.
Even if you were correct if you are suggesting the kind of veg who window hang and flail are aware of which parts of the network have additional clearances and which do not you are deluded.
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