Wimbledon 2013

[Butts]

There's an unwritten rule that you can't receive two honours within five years of each other. Which means he can't get an upgrade on his OBE until the New Year's Honours of 2018 (by which time I think he might be over the peak).

Actually I'm suprised The Queen was not present (perhaps she couldn't get a ticket for her own box ) , it's rumoured she's not a big tennis fan, only been twice.

As Cameron was there as well, they could have arranged to have him knighted "on the battlefield" as it were, there and then. (substituting a racket for a sword )

 

[MidnightFlyer]

With regard to the Knighthood issue if Bradley Wiggins get's one for The Tour de France and Olympic Gold then by that yardstick so should Murray. However I'm sure that is not the top of his agenda or anyone elses at the moment.

I would have thought he must be a shoe in for BBC Sports Personality of the Year

I think the knighthood for Wiggins was very misguided. IMO the whole system it has been devalued massively by giving it out left, right and centre, for example to the Ashes team a few years ago (was it Oz 2005?). I do think it should only be given in sport, and areas like arts and culture, to people who've either done it all in their careers and are once in a generation people - such as Sir Alex Ferguson - or have raised the subject's profile and standard on an international scale - the very pinnacle of British success. If Murray wins all four Slams numerous times over for the rest of his career, like Federer, has, award him upon retirement with an 'improved' knighthood. Don't reward him so hugely on the basis of winning a tournament he should be winning as standard on the basis of 77 years of no success.

On a slightly different train of thought I'm not sure the TDF and Wimbledon are comparable - I'm not a huge cycling fan but the Tour de France is probably the toughest to win, hardest endurance sport tournament in the world. Essentially Wimbledon is win 21 sets of tennis against seven players who may or may not actually be worthy of playing you. TBH aside from tradition I don't actually think there's a difference between Wimbledon and the US, Oz or French Opens.

 

[Butts]

Boris Becker has "gone native" judging by his partisan remarks in favour of Murray during the tournament.

I wish Mac had been on BBC today probably working for one of the American Networks.

In reflection it's a shame Dan Maskell and Harry Carpenter two stalwarts of Wimbledon did not live to see a post Perry British winner. :cry:

I didn't see Sir Alex Ferguson or Sean Connery in attendance today, perhaps they couldn't get tickets

 

[Liam]

Wiggins fully deserved his knighthood. He was a multiple olympic gold medalist, multiple world champion, then went and won the toughest race of them all. If that's not worthy of a knighthood for services to sport then what is? If Froome wins this years tour he shouldn't be knighted as he hasn't been at the top of his sport for a prolonged period, Wiggins had been. Murray shouldn't get knighted yet, but a few more majors, then yes, but only at or towards the end of his career.

 

[tony_mac]

Essentially Wimbledon is win 21 sets of tennis against seven players who may or may not actually be worthy of playing you. .

Or, in the case of Marion Bartoli - 14 sets of tennis, none of which were against a player in the top 16.

She gets £1.6m; close to the entire amount that the TDF will pay out in prize money. Mark Cavendish's historic green jersey win was worth less prize money than losing in the first round of Wimbledon.

 

[bnm]

The inequality in prize money in modern major tennis tournaments is something that needs to be looked at again.

 

[Butts]

The inequality in prize money in modern major tennis tournaments is something that needs to be looked at again.

In my view the Women can consider themselves lucky to be on equal prize money at Wimbledon especially as they only play best of three sets and frankly are at least currently not such an attraction.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

In my view the Women can consider themselves lucky to be on equal prize money at Wimbledon especially as they only play best of three sets and frankly are at least currently not such an attraction.

Agreed. All the insistance on equality of prize money over the last few years by past female tennis players and certain female politicians always conveniently forget the difference between the three-set and the five-set possibilities that can occur in tournement male and female tennis events.

 

[ReverendFozz]

As for the honours thing, I heard the commentators saying after the match, could he be coming back as Sir Andy Murray next year. I believe that people should be honoured for there achievements, but don't believe people should be honoured for winning one big tournament or doing well in one event.

Sportsmen/women should only be honoured for consistency over a career, Chris Hoy and Bradley Wiggins deserve there Knighthoods because they have more than H.Samuel, for people like Rebecca Adlington, they have only done it when it mattered and not over many years, should get some recognition but not the royal honours. The honours system should be in place for those who have excelled in there area of expertise over a certain amount of years, if Andy Murray can go on and win more Slams, then definitely knight him, bit don't do it on the fact he was the first Brit in 77 years to win Wimbledon, let's see what he can do over his career.

I remember a few years ago an American friend of mine compared the Brit at Wimbledon hoodoo to the Boston RedSox never being able to win the World Series in Baseball

 

[Ivo]

Or, in the case of Marion Bartoli - 14 sets of tennis, none of which were against a player in the top 16.

I didn't realise that - ouch. Everyone knew she had it easy to a degree but something like that shows just "unrealistic" Wimbledon 2013 has been in some respects.

In my view the Women can consider themselves lucky to be on equal prize money at Wimbledon especially as they only play best of three sets and frankly are at least currently not such an attraction.

These seems to be something most people agree on, myself included. In theory they should win £2 for every £3 the men win.

Sometimes Equality Laws result in unfair inequality

 

[Metrailway]

Cameron today hinted that Andy may be receiving a Knighthood in the post in the near future...

 

[Butts]

Cameron today hinted that Andy may be receiving a Knighthood in the post in the near future...

Well judging by the coverage in the press at least in my Independent.....

Murray pictured on the front cover with no other news....

First seven pages of the actual paper - and twelve pages in the sports section pullout.....

And that's in a so called quality paper

The knighthoods a shoe in

 

[bnm]

Good to see that folk picked up on my prize money inequality thing.

I was half expecting a reply saying, "Hang on, the prize money is equal."

Murray/Djokevic played 3 sets and Bartoli/Lisicki played 2.

Murray played 239 games and 2 tie breaks, with one 4 set match and one 5 set match, to win the title.

Bartoli played 136 games, no tie-breaks and all her matches were won in straight sets.

And yet they both get £1.6 million. Huh?

I'm all for equal pay, but only when the 'jobs' are equal.

 

[Eagle]

Wiggins fully deserved his knighthood. He was a multiple olympic gold medalist, multiple world champion, then went and won the toughest race of them all. If that's not worthy of a knighthood for services to sport then what is? If Froome wins this years tour he shouldn't be knighted as he hasn't been at the top of his sport for a prolonged period, Wiggins had been. Murray shouldn't get knighted yet, but a few more majors, then yes, but only at or towards the end of his career.

The same goes for Dame Sarah Storey, an 11-time Paralympic gold medallist in two completely unrelated sports, who's raised the profile of parasports in the 20 years she's been professional.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The same goes for Dame Sarah Storey, an 11-time Paralympic gold medallist in two completely unrelated sports, who's raised the profile of parasports in the 20 years she's been professional.

Forgive my ignorance of the honours system, but is an award of the title "Dame" the female equivalent of a knighthood ?

 

[Eagle]

For all intents and purposes, yes.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I wonder when the media will decide that the Murray story has been milked for all its worth ?

 

[Butts]

I wonder when the media will decide that the Murray story has been milked for all its worth ?

After he gets the Knighthood ?

 

[ValleyLines142]

I didn't even need to watch the final (even though I was out for the day); my Facebook was inundated with updates!!