Will TOC only fares disappear upon nationalisation?

[Bletchleyite]

So, is the £95.40 Super Off Peak Single ticket from Newcraighall to Kings Cross not valid at all for travel today (Easter Monday)?

It is, yes, all day.

 

[JonathanH]

So, is the £95.40 Super Off Peak Single ticket from Newcraighall to Kings Cross not valid at all for travel today (Easter Monday)?

It is totally valid for travel on any service, but you won't get an itinerary for it on a journey planning interface.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

It is totally valid for travel on any service, but you won't get an itinerary for it on a journey planning interface.

So, a higher priced advance single can still be sold, which will presumably include a seat reservation or counted place, but not the cheaper walk-up ticket for the exact same train? This does seem to be something of a 'rip off'. If so, how is this justified?

 

[JonathanH]

So, a higher priced advance single can still be sold, which will presumably include a seat reservation or counted place, but not the cheaper walk-up ticket for the exact same train? This does seem to be something of a 'rip off'. If so, how is this justified?

I think the issue was that when I checked, the Newcraighall to London itineraries are such that the trains from Newcraighall don't necessarily feed into the journeys that still have advance reservations (1937) from Edinburgh without intervention. (The 1937 gets overtaken by the last Lumo at 1958 which is also 'full' from Edinburgh.)

 

[Sonic1234]

Are LNER & Connections advances still "capped" by the Super Off Peak price, or does LNER try to sell advances more expensive than the walk up ticket on these routes?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Nothing much to add to the question, really. I'm aware that (for example) under British Rail, Gatwick Express charged extra compared to Newtwork South Central. Would they still be able to do that after nationalisation?

Four TOCs (soon to be five) are already nationalised, and they all retain TOC-specific tickets.
Notably LNER with its new wadge of Advance fares.

There might well be a reduction of the more parochial TOC fare types, but I'm sure we are not going to have a neutral distance-based system.
BR had many types of ticket across and within its 3 passenger sectors.

 

[NCT]

Given that harmonising of Southern and Thameslink fares failed I wouldn't hold my breath.

GBR will be in even firmer grip of the dead hand of the Treasury. Even with Covid there remains enough evidence that fares are on the whole inelastic (when you change fares the yield impact outweighs the volume impact). Anything that reduces revenue will be resisted by the Treasury. Anything that removes cheap fares will be politically untenable.

 

[317 forever]

Four TOCs (soon to be five) are already nationalised, and they all retain TOC-specific tickets.
Notably LNER with its new wadge of Advance fares.

There might well be a reduction of the more parochial TOC fare types, but I'm sure we are not going to have a neutral distance-based system.
BR had many types of ticket across and within its 3 passenger sectors.

I was looking at fares from East Didsbury or Manchester Piccadilly to Earlestown earlier.

They have competition from 2 public TOCs (Northern and TfW) but still considerably different fares.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

I was looking at fares from East Didsbury or Manchester Piccadilly to Earlestown earlier.

They have competition from 2 public TOCs (Northern and TfW) but still considerably different fares.

The route 'TfW RS Only" Anytime Day Single from East Didsbury to Earlestown being a whole 20p cheaper than the comparatively less restrictive route "via Manchester" equivalent (which is also valid using Northern) doesn't seem all that different a fare!

 

[317 forever]

The route 'TfW RS Only" Anytime Day Single from East Didsbury to Earlestown being a whole 20p cheaper than the comparatively less restrictive route "via Manchester" equivalent (which is also valid using Northern) doesn't seem all that different a fare!

Sorry, a better example is early morning on Saturday May 10th. Northern have released Advance fares while TfW appear to have none.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Sorry, a better example is early morning on Saturday May 10th. Northern have released Advance fares while TfW appear to have none.

I can't see the point of Advances for such a short journey.
The Anytime return walk-on fares are more different than 20p - Northern charge 17.50 and TfW 14.60.
The higher fare is valid on both TOCs, the lower one only on TfW.
Northern also sets an Off Peak Day Return at 14.80 but with M-F time restrictions (valid on any TOC).

How TfW and the DfT TOCs sort out their fare system under GBR will be interesting.
Northern is actually the flow owner in this case, setting the Any Permitted (Via Manchester) fare.
The journey also straddles two PTE areas with different fare policies, Greater Manchester and Liverpool City Region, neither of which has any interest in Wales!