Why I've never gone to Burger King...

[AM9]

.... The laws of the land should hold sway in any country. Those who chose to come are entitled to bring their own religious beliefs, but not for those beliefs to overrule the laws.

No problem then as both the Muslim and Jewish customs in respect of animal slaughter, (Halal and Kosher respectively) can legally be practiced in the UK.

More importantly, nor should the side effects of those beliefs have a negative impact on existing citizens who have no wish to share them.

There are plenty of derogations in English Law based on religious rites, customs and practices that I (and probably many other areligious citizens) thouroughly disagree with but accept that the law makes allowances for them to continue.
Many of these easements are maintained by christian religions including the C of E. Regrettably, some of those directly interfere with the lives of all citizens whether christian adherants or not. Now in a multicultural society, that is an abuse of a religious privilege, and far more intrusive than whether animals killed forus to eat are killed with a knife to the throat, electric shock or bolt in the brain, unless somebody goes out of their way to be offended!

 

[Starmill]

To be fair to BK, they do do a rather nice spicy bean burger. Wish they'd include it in their voucher offers though.

I've had a couple. They were nice, but very expensive for what you get. Almost £6 with chips and a drink? An equally satisfying egg and cress sandwich from a non-SSP M&S is about £1.30 and healthier.

 

[yorksrob]

I've had a couple. They were nice, but very expensive for what you get. Almost £6 with chips and a drink? An equally satisfying egg and cress sandwich from a non-SSP M&S is about £1.30 and healthier.

Indeed. Six squid is very expensive for a meal deal.

Sainsbury's meal deal for three pounds is pretty good.

 

[Antman]

So what kind of eggs do you eat (if indeed you do...)?

Free range, taste far better apart from anything else

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Years ago my mate and I stumbled off the London sleeper at Edinburgh one morning. The only breakfast available was in Burger King at the station itself and we were both underwhelmed by what we were eating that my mate actually scribbled an alternative name for BK on a napkin!

I think I was more just being cheeky about them than anything else..... I tend to use "alternative names" quite a lot for a lot of businesses...

In those days I hadn't yet discovered that the Highland Hotel just outside the station is happy to serve breakfasts to Sleeper passengers; that's now my breakfast location in Edinburgh unless pressed for time.

 

[swj99]

I am, stopped eating meat about a decade and feel much healthier for it aside from animal issues, I'd never go back.

I stopped about 4 years ago. I have a facebook friend who keeps posting pictures of live animals being butchered. I had to put her on ignore eventually. I have no problem with her at all, and I know how barbaric the meat trade is. But I don't want to keep seeing half cut up animals writhing about in sheer terror, in pools of blood every time I go on the internet.

They do nice vegetarian fry ups in Poppins Cafe in Bognor.

 

[backontrack]

I'm not exactly a veggie, but it's great to see so many other vegetarians here - the idea of vegetarianism is always mocked by the media - by the Clarkson types and their their fans.

Well, actually, I'm a pescatarian - always have been. A pescatarian eats fish as well. I couldn't really give up fish, but I wouldn't eat meat.

I'd quite like to nip this one in the bud, actually, because so many people think that vegetarians eat fish. They don't. When people such as your school's Food Tech teacher think that's the case...

Vegetarians eat everything except meat and fish.
Pescatarians eat everything except meat.
Vegans eat everything except meat, fish, eggs and dairy (I could never be a vegan).

So knowing about pescatarians is quite important. You don't really need to know about the others. There are some types of vegetarian that exclude either eggs or dairy, but those aren't really that important. Just remember not to mix those up again.

*steps off soapbox*

 

[TheNewNo2]

I prefer Burger King to McDonalds, but I don't tend to eat at either anyway.

Of course pretty much all food is murdering something or other in horrible ways.

 

[Starmill]

Most vegetarians don't eat products that derive from dead bodies, this does include a small handful of things that you might find that aren't meat, such as bovine gelatine (a collagen extracted from animals, usually cattle hooves) or cheeses made with animal rennet (extracted from the stomachs of some baby mammals, usually calves as a by-product of veal production).

A lot of people wouldn't consider someone who avoids meat but does consume these as vegetarian. Personally I'm as laid back as it's possible to be about what others choose to consume, but do avoid these too for ethical reasons. Similarly I try to avoid other products manufactured with real leather or that use cow horns etc, but because the sourcing of these is much more opaque than labeling about what's contained in our food it can be very difficult.

Wine is a very interesting midway point, that doesn't have the same labeling standards as food and there's an ongoing debate about which wines use animal products to make.
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Of course pretty much all food is murdering something or other in horrible ways.

I've really gone off milk and eggs as specific items the more I think about how the industry that produces them is treating the animals that give us these commodities.

Unfortunately I'm yet to get onto removing the other foods that use them as ingredients; particularly cheese!

 

[backontrack]

Most vegetarians don't eat products that derive from dead bodies, this does include a small handful of things that you might find that aren't meat, such as bovine gelatine (a collagen extracted from animals, usually cattle hooves) or cheeses made with animal rennet (extracted from the stomachs of some baby mammals, usually calves as a by-product of veal production).

A lot of people wouldn't consider someone who avoids meat but does consume these as vegetarian. Personally I'm as laid back as it's possible to be about what others choose to consume, but do avoid these too for ethical reasons. Similarly I try to avoid other products manufactured with real leather or that use cow horns etc, but because the sourcing of these is much more opaque than labelling about what's contained in our food it can be very difficult.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but I wanted to get the simple fact about pescatarianism out into the open, without clouding my post further.

 

[DarloRich]

I will go the other way. I have no ethical objections to how my meat is killed (and nor do i really care how it is killed) and will eat almost anything ( BK/mcD excepted )

 

[cb a1]

*steps off soapbox*

Thank you. I've been vegetarian for nearly 20 years and still find the need to explain this one.

My soapbox item is event catering. Please stick the veggie food on separate plates from the non-veggie food. I don't want to and nobody else wants me opening up all the sandwiches and whatever else is on offer trying to identify whether that whiteish gunk is egg or cheese or chicken or fish.

Final thought - despite being a supporter of free-range eggs [we have our own 10 hens] and organic produce in general, I've never been able to taste the difference ...

 

[Johnny_w]

McDonalds is horrible....

But a dirty Burger King? Hell yes!

Like all things, life in moderation and all is well

JW

 

[Antman]

I stopped about 4 years ago. I have a facebook friend who keeps posting pictures of live animals being butchered. I had to put her on ignore eventually. I have no problem with her at all, and I know how barbaric the meat trade is. But I don't want to keep seeing half cut up animals writhing about in sheer terror, in pools of blood every time I go on the internet.

They do nice vegetarian fry ups in Poppins Cafe in Bognor.

Strange thing to be putting on facebook:roll:

My daughter had been a vegetarian for years (as soon as she was old enough to understand that meat was a dead animal) and she bet me that if I went a week without eating meat I would never want to eat it again, and I have to say she was right. There are so many meat free alternatives available nowadays which taste every bit as good if not better. I must admit I don't normally describe myself as a vegetarian as it seems to conjure up all sorts of bizzare theories from people, I prefer to just say that I don't eat meat and it does seem that more and more people are opting for a meat free diet these days.

 

[krus_aragon]

That's the reason I go

Hm, now your username has me pining for poutine...

 

[backontrack]

Thank you. I've been vegetarian for nearly 20 years and still find the need to explain this one.

My soapbox item is event catering. Please stick the veggie food on separate plates from the non-veggie food. I don't want to and nobody else wants me opening up all the sandwiches and whatever else is on offer trying to identify whether that whiteish gunk is egg or cheese or chicken or fish.

Final thought - despite being a supporter of free-range eggs [we have our own 10 hens] and organic produce in general, I've never been able to taste the difference ...

Yes, that's another problem. *sigh*

One of the worst things associated with vegetarianism is the idea that it's 'just tofu and quorn'. It's not, and never has been. We eat real food too. Just because vegetarians don't eat meat, it doesn't mean that we should eat meat substitutes. I think I've eaten tofu once in my life so far. It was...meh.

And I hate how the Clarkson-types talk about vegetarians, as if we're all weaklings. Trust me when I say that we're not all weak. True that there are some types of vegans that are, well, a bit weird. But that doesn't stand for every vegetarian in the world. Einstein, da Vinci, Thomas Edison, Mary Shelley, Tolstoy and Rosa Parks were all vegetarian. That's quite a good list.

 

[cb a1]

I think I've eaten tofu once in my life so far. It was...meh.

. However, whilst some tofu is very meh, but other tofu is delicious.

I would liken it to beers. At one end you have lager which is, to my taste-buds, very meh and at the other end you have some phenomenally tasty rich porters [Midnight Sun by Williams Bros being my current favourite].

 

[Antman]

Yes, that's another problem. *sigh*

One of the worst things associated with vegetarianism is the idea that it's 'just tofu and quorn'. It's not, and never has been. We eat real food too. Just because vegetarians don't eat meat, it doesn't mean that we should eat meat substitutes. I think I've eaten tofu once in my life so far. It was...meh.

And I hate how the Clarkson-types talk about vegetarians, as if we're all weaklings. Trust me when I say that we're not all weak. True that there are some types of vegans that are, well, a bit weird. But that doesn't stand for every vegetarian in the world. Einstein, da Vinci, Thomas Edison, Mary Shelley, Tolstoy and Rosa Parks were all vegetarian. That's quite a good list.

Exactly, this idea that we are all pale faced skinny little wimps munching grimly on something revolting just couldn't be further from the truth!

Clarkson is probably getting a backhander from the meat industry to spout such drivel and if he is a typical meat eater................................well do I need to say anymore

 

[NSEFAN]

I wonder how the coming of 3D printed meat will change the ethics which may drive people to become vegetarians. After all, if the meat hasn't come from a live animal then surely there is no problem in eating it?

 

[backontrack]

I wonder how the coming of 3D printed meat will change the ethics which may drive people to become vegetarians. After all, if the meat hasn't come from a live animal then surely there is no problem in eating it?

Call me crazy, but I don't want to eat anything that's been made artificially from bio-genetic cells, thanks. I'd rather just have a cheese and tomato sandwich.

 

[DarloRich]

Call me crazy, but I don't want to eat anything that's been made artificially from bio-genetic cells, thanks. I'd rather just have a cheese and tomato sandwich.

best not have the Quorn then

 

[BestWestern]

Indeed. Absolutely revolting idea, vegetarian or otherwise!

 

[backontrack]

best not have the Quorn then

Was I talking about Quorn? :roll:

I mentioned it earlier, remember?

Also, may I ask what your opinion is of vegetarianism?

 

[DarloRich]

Was I talking about Quorn? :roll:

I mentioned it earlier, remember?

Also, may I ask what your opinion is of vegetarianism?

you should all be burnt at the steak!

 

[backontrack]

What's your serious opinion of vegetarianism?

 

[DarloRich]

Indeed. Absolutely revolting idea, vegetarian or otherwise!

Quorn is a fantastic product and very low in cholesterol and high in protein and fibre- the texture is a little odd at times though
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What's your serious opinion of vegetarianism?

That is actually a difficult one to answer as I don't really have an opinion. My mum and step dad have been veggies for 30+ years and it was natural for us growing up. It is a personal choice not to eat meat.

I like meat and am happy to eat it and cant see myself giving it up. Some people aren't happy to eat it. That is their choice and right.

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

Some people aren't happy to eat it. That is their choice and right.

Just about sums up my view. I've been a vegetarian for nearly 40 years, and also enjoy cooking and therefore eat plenty of delicious, fresh and additive free meals. I mainly eat a wholefood diet.
I find the main problem in Society (in this discussion area at least) is the lack of interest and skill in cooking. Simple nutritious meals can be made in minutes, yet, it seems, many people prefer to eat the rubbish found on the high street - hence this thread.
My mother was a good traditional cook, so maybe I've inherited something from her. I've always loved many of the wartime recipes she used, froma time when, despite the privations of war, the population was healthier....then big business moved in, and the rest is history (or obesity)

 

[Antman]

Just about sums up my view. I've been a vegetarian for nearly 40 years, and also enjoy cooking and therefore eat plenty of delicious, fresh and additive free meals. I mainly eat a wholefood diet.
I find the main problem in Society (in this discussion area at least) is the lack of interest and skill in cooking. Simple nutritious meals can be made in minutes, yet, it seems, many people prefer to eat the rubbish found on the high street - hence this thread.
My mother was a good traditional cook, so maybe I've inherited something from her. I've always loved many of the wartime recipes she used, froma time when, despite the privations of war, the population was healthier....then big business moved in, and the rest is history (or obesity)

Absolutely, you can't beat good home cooking!

I wonder if some people even have a cooker nowadays when you can get a takeaway delivered to the front door?

 

[bb21]

One of the worst things associated with vegetarianism is the idea that it's 'just tofu and quorn'. It's not, and never has been. We eat real food too. Just because vegetarians don't eat meat, it doesn't mean that we should eat meat substitutes. I think I've eaten tofu once in my life so far. It was...meh.

All varieties of tofu is yum (hard, soft, egg, and frozen ones just to name a few), but those made in the UK are, as with many other things, rubbish.

 

[backontrack]

Yeah, by the sound of things I'm missing out. But I'm very happy with the way I eat right now.
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Just about sums up my view. I've been a vegetarian for nearly 40 years, and also enjoy cooking and therefore eat plenty of delicious, fresh and additive free meals. I mainly eat a wholefood diet.
I find the main problem in Society (in this discussion area at least) is the lack of interest and skill in cooking. Simple nutritious meals can be made in minutes, yet, it seems, many people prefer to eat the rubbish found on the high street - hence this thread.
My mother was a good traditional cook, so maybe I've inherited something from her. I've always loved many of the wartime recipes she used, froma time when, despite the privations of war, the population was healthier....then big business moved in, and the rest is history (or obesity)

Yes, you can't really beat good home cooking, to echo other's sentiments. In the Mediterranean they eat well too, and I'm a big fan of Mediterranean cuisine.

OT I know, but I'm slightly worried about your post number...