moonrakerz
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Sounds just like the British Shipbuilding industry back in the 60s/70s - look what happened to that ................ AND the MoD at present !
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Why is laying new track so expensive?
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Sounds just like the British Shipbuilding industry back in the 60s/70s - look what happened to that ................ AND the MoD at present !
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TheSlash
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More and more work is now required to be done in a complete block {Safeguarded Green Zone}, instead of blocking maybe one or two roads on a four track system {seperated green zone}.
I experienced this situation last night.
We were changing a rail in a layout that is basically a spur off a junction down to a small terminus. We were working clear of the junction {terminus side} on the down road. The possession time was very short because a TOC required to run empty diesel stock across the junction on the Up road.
Had this not been a cost saving key strap isolation, it would of been perfectly safe for the path required by the TOC to remain open all night. Some of this empty stock does stop clear of the junction and then reverse, using the down line to reach the station and form the first up train.
It would of been quite simple for this empty stock simply to carry onto the next station, approximately 2 miles away and start the service from there with a bus service taking passengers from the terminus. The two stations are connected directly by an A road.
More and more work is now required to be done in a complete block {Safeguarded Green Zone}, instead of blocking maybe one or two roads on a four track system {seperated green zone}.
I experienced this situation last night.
We were changing a rail in a layout that is basically a spur off a junction down to a small terminus. We were working clear of the junction {terminus side} on the down road. The possession time was very short because a TOC required to run empty diesel stock across the junction on the Up road.
Had this not been a cost saving key strap isolation, it would of been perfectly safe for the path required by the TOC to remain open all night. Some of this empty stock does stop clear of the junction and then reverse, using the down line to reach the station and form the first up train.
It would of been quite simple for this empty stock simply to carry onto the next station, approximately 2 miles away and start the service from there with a bus service taking passengers from the terminus. The two stations are connected directly by an A road.
royaloak
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Do you actually have any idea what is involved in driving a REAL train, no didn't think so.
Like the way you cant spell SIMPLEST, sums it up really, may I recommend spellchecker!
90019
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If the government is serious about polution then they need to reduce railfares (& bus fares). Example woking - gillinham £48ea return OR 180 mile @ 18mpg (£1/l) = £45. If I take the family train = £192, car = £45!!
You missed out the cost of the car, insurance, VED, depreciation, general wear and tear, etc.
Well you can get can get a family railcard I suppose.
Has to be one of the biggest misquotes of all times, the cost of the petrol v the cost of the most expensive walk on train fare. Are people really that economically illiterate? Maybe.
Back to the cost of track, it doesn't go on steel and sleepers. Most of the cost is planning, H&S, compensation and the like. For example, NR improves the track, and pays the TOCs compensation for improving the service. Could you image if the Highways agency paid everyone every time they upgraded the M1? Road upgrades would be uneconomic, and that's what often happens with rail.
Has to be one of the biggest misquotes of all times, the cost of the petrol v the cost of the most expensive walk on train fare. Are people really that economically illiterate? Maybe.
Back to the cost of track, it doesn't go on steel and sleepers. Most of the cost is planning, H&S, compensation and the like. For example, NR improves the track, and pays the TOCs compensation for improving the service. Could you image if the Highways agency paid everyone every time they upgraded the M1? Road upgrades would be uneconomic, and that's what often happens with rail.
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