Why don't rail signals use a standard layout for easier recognition?

[Bletchleyite]

A thought I had the other day.

Traffic lights generally come in a standard format. The top light is always red, then amber, then green. A flow is always to the right or left of the green if in addition to it. This means that if you just see a light out of the corner of your eye you're more likely to see what it is from position as well as colour. It also provides for colourblindness, though that's not an issue for train driving because it in my understanding is a disqualifying factor.

Why is it that we don't do a similar thing for rail signals? Surely it would reduce the risk of a misread, compared to a single head which can show any colour (for example)? A single head that can show any colour can only be recognised on colour.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

I think it comes round to, as does everything, cost.

 

[mmh]

Traffic lights on roads are approached at low speeds, railway signals can be approached at 125 mph where you'd have no idea at all of the shape or any unlit lights on the signal.

 

[Dr Hoo]

Road traffic signals are typically duplicated (at the very least) and on multi-lane layouts can be at a wide range of angles from a driver’s view, especially as the Stop line is neared.

With railway signals they are rarely duplicated (co-acting) and there is a strong desire to position and focus them at the approaching driver’s eye. A single aspect capable of displaying multiple colours is ‘the best’ under this aim.

 

[43096]

A thought I had the other day.

Traffic lights generally come in a standard format. The top light is always red, then amber, then green. A flow is always to the right or left of the green if in addition to it. This means that if you just see a light out of the corner of your eye you're more likely to see what it is from position as well as colour. It also provides for colourblindness, though that's not an issue for train driving because it in my understanding is a disqualifying factor.

Why is it that we don't do a similar thing for rail signals? Surely it would reduce the risk of a misread, compared to a single head which can show any colour (for example)? A single head that can show any colour can only be recognised on colour.

Rail signals do have standards. Before LED signals it was (from top) Y - G - Y - R so red is always closest to the driver’s sight line. With LEDs the bottom three aspects can be combined.

 

[Harpo]

There’s no comparison really. All traffic lights can be stopped at after being sighted. A train driver has to know exactly where, after the final proceed aspect, the stop signal will be and frequently needs to be well into the braking curve before it’s even visible.

 

[GraphitProjekt]

In terms of colour positions, I believe there is a standard (top-bottom) yellow-green-yellow-red, something to do with trying to make sure snow doesn't cover up the red and, of course, keeping some space between the two yellows. Whereas traffic lights want the opposite so that the red can be seen over vehicles in front of you.

Traffic lights on roads are approached at low speeds, railway signals can be approached at 125 mph where you'd have no idea at all of the shape or any unlit lights on the signal.

I think this is really the answer. The north east corridor in America uses essentially what OP is describing with their position colo(u)r light signalling.

 

[Helvellyn]

A thought I had the other day.

Traffic lights generally come in a standard format. The top light is always red, then amber, then green. A flow is always to the right or left of the green if in addition to it. This means that if you just see a light out of the corner of your eye you're more likely to see what it is from position as well as colour. It also provides for colourblindness, though that's not an issue for train driving because it in my understanding is a disqualifying factor.

There is some standardisation in that the bottom light, both for three-aspect or four-aspect signals, will display red at the bottom, then yellow in the middle and green above. The second yellow in a four-aspect signal is above the green.

So in effect it's the reverse position of a traffic light, plus the extra yellow for four-aspect.

The use of LED signal heads has allowed fewer parts to be used in a signal, which reduces costs (and makes them smaller). Only one head is needed for three aspect, two for four (where the top head is only used for the double yellow).

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[edwin_m]

Railway signals are standardised ... except when they aren't. Which is usually due having to put one in a limited space or where it is difficult for drivers to see it.

The red aspect is always the closest to the driver. This means that when (rarely) a main signal is installed low down, the red is at the top. So this must be considered more important than any concern about snow building up on the lens hood below (though there might be more snow on the ground than on the hoods, and this would just cover the green).

The infamous SN109 that was partially responsible for the Ladbroke Grove collision had the red off to one side from the other aspects, due to sighting issues through the overhead line I think.

Another topical signal is the one on the Down Slow platform at Hitchin, which we were discussing a week or so back. This used to have the junction indicator alongside the signal instead of above.

There were also signals mounted sideways, for example some mid-platform ones under canopies at Newcastle when re-signalled in 1991. This is only possible with two or three aspects, because a double yellow has to be displayed vertically.

Some other restricted locations had the more traditional "searchlight" signals where a coloured filter was mechanically moved in front of a white lamp to change the aspect, with the unusual consequence that these would briefly show red when changing from yellow to green. The mid-platform signals at Birmingham New Street had these, as did a signal or two at Nottingham.

I either know or believe that all of these have reverted to more standard arrangements, permitted in most case by the advent of LED clusters that can show different colours.

 

[dosxuk]

It also provides for colourblindness, though that's not an issue for train driving because it in my understanding is a disqualifying factor.

If you know all your drivers have no problems with colours, at distance, and/or at speed, colour is a much more reliable differentiator than position.