• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Why do trains have Winter Timetables?

Status
Not open for further replies.

OMGitsDAVE

Member
Joined
12 Jun 2009
Messages
737
Location
Hartlepool, England, UK
From; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11970634

The latest UK rail timetable is up and running. Why do we get a new one every winter?

Trainspotters of Britain, here is the latest service update: your schedule for the next six months has arrived.

Each December and May, train operating companies and Network Rail, which owns the UK's railway lines, publish updated timetables.

These changes, often by just a couple of minutes, may seem baffling to commuters who depend on being on the right platform at the right time each morning. But maintenance work , service alterations and seasonal pressures - at peak leaves-on-the-line times, some trains have to leave up to four minutes earlier - all mean the giant jigsaw that is the national railway schedule needs to be regularly adjusted.

Additionally, since 2004, an EU directive has required member states to change their timetables on the same date in December to prevent clashes between networks.

Independent travel consultant Barry Doe says the dawn of Eurostar, linking Britain's network to that of the continent, meant it was entirely sensible that this applies to the UK.

However, he questions the wisdom of introducing new services at a time when the weather and the Christmas holidays have a disruptive effect on services - the winter 2010 schedule taking effect from 12 December.

"It's the most stupid time of the year to change it," he says. "Very soon after it's introduced, the whole thing is thrown to the wind. It doesn't really start to get off the ground until 3 or 4 January."

Nonetheless, the logic of regularly updating the schedule becomes clearer when you consider the many variables that can affect the UK's 25,000 train services every day to more than 2,500 stations.

Even minor alterations potentially having knock-on effects on when other trains can use stretches of track and arrive at platforms.

Maintenance work must be scheduled months in advance. Events like Wimbledon or the Glastonbury festival require additional services. And during the peak leaf-falling period of September to December, morning services often start slightly earlier to allow for delays.

The introduction of new services - such as those along the new Airdrie to Bathgate line in central Scotland - and the downgrading of others require updates. These are made to the working timetable - a far more detailed document than the schedules passengers pick up at stations.

It details every train movement on the network, setting out the times of arrival and departure of trains and appropriate passing points. As well as regular schedules for routes, it also sets out specific timetables for weekends affected by engineering works as well as for longer periods which may witness adjustments - such as the autumn leaves-on-the-line peak. This mammoth tome - essential for signallers and drivers, and highly prized by rail enthusiasts - also forms the basis for bookings and National Rail inquiries.
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

4SRKT

Established Member
Joined
9 Jan 2009
Messages
4,409
It's not really a winter timetable, it's just one that changes every 6 months. If it only changed once a year it'd be much harder to innovate new services.

Under BR there was a definite difference between summer and winter timetables, with loads of trains only operating in the summer, mainly to coastal resorts. Nowadays there isn't rake upon rake of grotty mk Is and loads of freight locos surplus at weekends waiting to be pressed into action on such trains. More's the pity. In fact, even though the summer and winter timetables were quite different, it wasn't every year that BR published separate books. In some tables (such as 135 which was hugely different on summer Saturdays), they'd have separate tables for Mondays - Fridays, Saturdays (until some time in September), Saturdays (after that time) and Sundays. Even so, the numbers of wavy lines down the columns was so much more than now that the tables were sometimes very hard to read. Separate summer and winter books came in in 1987 IIRR, the same year the books reverted to the huge but easy to read format of about 10" tall by about 8" wide.
 

tbtc

Veteran Member
Joined
16 Dec 2008
Messages
18,052
Location
Reston City Centre
he questions the wisdom of introducing new services at a time when the weather and the Christmas holidays have a disruptive effect on services - the winter 2010 schedule taking effect from 12 December.

"It's the most stupid time of the year to change it," he says. "Very soon after it's introduced, the whole thing is thrown to the wind. It doesn't really start to get off the ground until 3 or 4 January."

It's a fair point, I guess; why do all European countries chose *this* date to change (even if you accept the need for us all to have common dates, which I do, I'm not certain why the middle of December was chosen).

Still, I guess any time of year would cause people to complain
 

LE Greys

Established Member
Joined
6 Mar 2010
Messages
5,389
Location
Hitchin
It's a fair point, I guess; why do all European countries chose *this* date to change (even if you accept the need for us all to have common dates, which I do, I'm not certain why the middle of December was chosen).

Still, I guess any time of year would cause people to complain

It seems like one of those occasions where tradition trumps common sense. We changed our timetables in September and March because it made sense for our traffic patterns (as 4SRKT said). SNCF or whoever always changed it in December for whatever reason, but it strikes me that their traffic patterns would be very similar to ours. However, the rest of Europe was already conforming to SNCF, so rather than take the sensible version, they went for the traditional one. Not quite BetaMax and VHS, but similar.
 

thefab444

Established Member
Joined
27 Oct 2006
Messages
3,688
Location
The New Forest
I think mid January/mid June would be better, with the few remaining "dated" services we have running from the start of the June timetable until the first/second week of September.
 

Peter Mugridge

Veteran Member
Joined
8 Apr 2010
Messages
17,818
Location
Epsom
Isn't one reason for the timetable book being so bloated that a few operators do still change timetables at the logical dates, so they have tables "until" and "from" within each edition because the editions must cover the illogical periods?

Speaking of which...

Bought the new TSO edition yesterday; pleased to see that - except for table 65 - it has reverted to the normal size print and the one page per page format.:)
 

The Planner

Veteran Member
Joined
15 Apr 2008
Messages
19,670
Thats more to do with the timetable engineering periods. Certains routes or sections can be blocked at certain times and the WTT takes care of some of it instead of it all being done STP.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top