Why do people leave their head at home?

[alanf]

ive flown with Ryanair and Easyjet many a time and had no problems.Ive been with Spanair once it was a DC8 or similar it stunk of vomit and we had the nearest thing to a crash landing ive ever had at East Midlands in torrential rain with people screaming (he litteraly planted it on the runway)and after we got off maintenance were giving the front wheels a good looking at. I actually think they hit the ground first

 

[tsr]

ive flown with Ryanair and Easyjet many a time and had no problems.Ive been with Spanair once it was a DC8 or similar it stunk of vomit and we had the nearest thing to a crash landing ive ever had at East Midlands in torrential rain with people screaming (he litteraly planted it on the runway)and after we got off maintenance were giving the front wheels a good looking at. I actually think they hit the ground first

If you're the sort of passenger who is bothered to spot the maintenance crews having a look at a particular set of wheels, I am sure you may well also appreciate just how hard it is to land a plane in certain types of storms. Downdrafts, crosswinds and so forth all make it much harder to land a plane, let alone comfortably. It is not really the airline's fault, unless the pilot made a rash decision that it would be cheaper to land at such and such an airport because the fuel would be cheaper, or something similar, and thereby flew into poor weather conditions. I am sure you will also be pleased to know that modern aircraft can safely touch down on just one set of wheels, whichever they happen to be (despite any future maintenance consequences). I have no doubt it was a little more scary than your average landing, though!

Anyway, that is a bit off topic... sorry!

I have flown with Aer Lingus a couple of times "short-haul", and they were very good - virtually no queuing if at all possible, cheerful staff and clean planes, although the food and drink was very expensive. The flights were also pretty much on time, although I don't know what their statistics are like for this.

 

[WestCoast]

ive flown with Ryanair and Easyjet many a time and had no problems.Ive been with Spanair once it was a DC8 or similar it stunk of vomit

That sounds like the Spanair I know! Their aircraft are the definition of a sardine can. I paid 6 euros for a sandwich and it was moldly. Staff just shrugged and walked off. Didn't really think there was anything wrong with the piloting or safety though!

Onur Air used to be a dodgy one - storing food in the toilets and little concern for safety procedures (with an incident record to show for it!). Not cheap either these two.

At least you generally get what you pay for with Ryanair or easyJet.

I forget what this has to do with the thread title but oh well....

 

[bAzTNM]

I remember I got shouted at by the resident Paisley Gilmour Street Scotrail nutter in 2002. I wonder if that old bloke is still there? My foot was behind the line, so I don't have a clue what he was on about. Clearly before the line. He didn't like being answered back at all. I thought I was getting hooked.

 

[northwichcat]

I was at MKC one evening last week, standing at platform 4. ATOS Anne had just announced that a train would be passing through, blah blah blah.

Sometimes those type of announcements come through after the train has passed through.

 

[trentside]

That sounds like the Spanair I know! Their aircraft are the definition of a sardine can. I paid 6 euros for a sandwich and it was moldly. Staff just shrugged and walked off. Didn't really think there was anything wrong with the piloting or safety though!

Everyone seems to have a horror story about Spanair. I was expecting terrible things when I flew from Barcelona to Venice with them last year - in fact it turned out to be a great flight, with an MD83 (dirty, but still a great plane) and a really pleasant, well motivated crew. I really enjoyed my flight with them, but it seems that isn't the normal picture people are left with - I will say that the ground staff were rude and inefficient, just to balance things out.

Back onto the topic. I was at MKC the week before last and must say that I don't feel comfortable waiting on the platforms given the speed at which the Pendolinos thunder through - I actually retreated back to a little cafe on the platform where I could wait further back from the yellow line.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

Perhaps if there were less warning signs all over the place for everything else (cf. demands to use handrails on footbridges) then people would be more inclined to notice the platform edge warnings, I imagine a lot of people think that it is just another example of " 'elf & safety gone mad".

Similarly, if there were less endless tannoy announcements about bags, beggars, doors closing early, security personnel, CCTV, wet weather etc. etc. (try spending 30 minutes at Leeds station) then people would notice the 'fast train approaching' warnings.

 

[TDK]

Perhaps if there were less warning signs all over the place for everything else (cf. demands to use handrails on footbridges) then people would be more inclined to notice the platform edge warnings, I imagine a lot of people think that it is just another example of " 'elf & safety gone mad".

Sorry mate but it is common sence not to stand near an edge that drops 4 feet odd with 200 tons flying past at 100mph so that is not really an excuse that is viable

 

[Schnellzug]

ive flown with Ryanair and Easyjet many a time and had no problems.Ive been with Spanair once it was a DC8 or similar it stunk of vomit and we had the nearest thing to a crash landing ive ever had at East Midlands in torrential rain with people screaming (he litteraly planted it on the runway)and after we got off maintenance were giving the front wheels a good looking at. I actually think they hit the ground first

A DC8? Gosh. Some people would pay good money for that.
Probably it was DC9, or MD-80, but still, quite fun.


Incidentally, how did this get onto airline discussion?

 

[tsr]

Perhaps if there were less warning signs all over the place for everything else (cf. demands to use handrails on footbridges) then people would be more inclined to notice the platform edge warnings, I imagine a lot of people think that it is just another example of " 'elf & safety gone mad".

Similarly, if there were less endless tannoy announcements about bags, beggars, doors closing early, security personnel, CCTV, wet weather etc. etc. (try spending 30 minutes at Leeds station) then people would notice the 'fast train approaching' warnings.

Just had a thought... if, for some reason, these announcements were reviewed and almost all of them were deemed necessary, could there be a way of turning up the volume for safety announcements relating to non-stop trains passing through? I am thinking along the lines of the "Inspector Sands" announcements, which are louder than normal at some stations. Perhaps a short siren should be played instead of the normal four-tone chime before the announcements. Whatever it takes, really...

EDIT: Perhaps the wording could also be subtly changed. For non-stop trains, a possible format could be: "[Brief alarm tone/siren] Please stand behind the yellow line on Platform X. The next train passing through will not stop. Keep well away from the edge of Platform X." And for trains that are stopping: "[Normal chime] The train now approaching Platform X is the AB:CD service to Destination. Please stand behind the yellow line until the train stops and allow passengers off the train first." It's similar to what is already in place, but more forceful.

 

[Nym]

Incidentally, how did this get onto airline discussion?

I mentioned that if one wants a demonstration of thick people that they should work at Manchester Airport for a few years...

 

[Trog]

Back onto the topic. I was at MKC the week before last and must say that I don't feel comfortable waiting on the platforms given the speed at which the Pendolinos thunder through - I actually retreated back to a little cafe on the platform where I could wait further back from the yellow line.

Don't be tempted to join the P-Way then as the first few to go past the first time you go out on track will look twice the size. But then after a week or so they just become part of the background, and you just stand out wait for them to go by and carry on with what you were doing.

 

[starrymarkb]

I think I'd probably take Ryanair over crappy Spanair and Thomas Crook. It's inhumane how much legroom those airlines give you. Spanair are dear and they are the surliest airline around!

Spanair were quite pleasant when I flew them, but this was 1999 - I know things have changed quite a lot since then.

Reading this - http://www.airliners.net/aviation-f...threadid=199754&searchid=200213&s=spanair#top - doesn't look good

 

[wensley]

What do expect when BAA/MAG/Peel/GIP drive them crazy, herding everyone through an overcrowded duty free shop to be flogged all sorts?
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Each time (only twice) I've been to Northallerton there was either some crazy spotters or loud members of the public mucking about!

Northallerton can be bad for that...kids mucking around as well, it can be very nervous watching some of em!