Which stations have through platforms with buffer stops on them?

[Tufty]

Like the ones at Fareham and Kirby, there must be many more.

 

[jopsuk]

Think the only ones where the rails continue are Kirkby and Ormskirk. Otherwise, there's a fair few ex-through stations that now serve as terminii.

 

[will1337]

Sheringham has a buffer stop but the line continues over the level crossing to the North Norfolk Railway.

I think that at Ormskirk the rails stop at the end of electrification and there are two sets of buffers.

 

[swt_passenger]

Highbury and Islington ELL (the old NLL westbound platform) has a through platform leading to a buffer stop slightly beyond, following the recent alterations.

 

[andyfrommk]

Milton Keynes Central has buffers on the reversable slow immediatly after the line seperates from the down slow,

Not even space for a single loco looking at it from the platforms.

 

[O L Leigh]

Er, sorry to be a pedant but...

Surely any line with a set of stops is, by definition, not a through line.

O L Leigh

 

[yorksrob]

Maybe, but I think the OP means through platforms with buffer stops on them, to which I say:

Platform 1 Hastings.
And Platform 4 at Margate.

 

[O L Leigh]

Well carry on if you like. Personally I don't understand how a platform line can be a "through platform" when there's a set of stops on it.

O L Leigh

 

[yorksrob]

Perhaps if it's got the little slopey bit beyond the buffer stops.

 

[jopsuk]

I rather assumed he meant former (or even intended) "through" platforms.

 

[PR1Berske]

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en...6934,-2.881157&spn=0.000655,0.002642&t=h&z=19


Ormskirk - you can just about see the "double buffers"

 

[miikey]

Ilford has buffers on the bay Platform. Obviously.
Romford, seperate platform. Does that count? :P

 

[wintonian]

Well carry on if you like. Personally I don't understand how a platform line can be a "through platform" when there's a set of stops on it.

O L Leigh

I thought it was me just being thick, but yes I have the same problem.

 

[driver9000]

Think the only ones where the rails continue are Kirkby and Ormskirk. Otherwise, there's a fair few ex-through stations that now serve as terminii.

The rails aren't joined at either. Kirkby is seperated by a large concrete block built up to the height of the platform. At Ormskirk the rails are seperated by a few feet and at slightly different heights.

 

[northernrail]

Theres one i cant remember the name of, it was the terminus of a Third Rail Line and the Terminus of a DMU line

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Theres one i cant remember the name of, it was the terminus of a Third Rail Line and the Terminus of a DMU line

Ormskirk and Kirkby are both like this

 

[northernrail]

Kirkby, Thats The One, my mind was Blank

 

[pendolino]

Does Wimbledon count? There's a set of stops half way down one platform for the tram, but I don't know if the bit beyond the stops is used by trains. Probably not.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Does Wimbledon count? There's a set of stops half way down one platform for the tram, but I don't know if the bit beyond the stops is used by trains. Probably not.

You mean p9/10. Should count: p9 is a bay for trains down to Tooting and the Sutton Loop (FCC) I think, and isn't in use too much, and p10 is now the Croydon Tramlink bay, it was heavy rail for West Croydon (now occupied by the tram), but saying all of this, I think it is physically blocked in the middle by something other than buffers, and was all along.

 

[Tufty]

Well carry on if you like. Personally I don't understand how a platform line can be a "through platform" when there's a set of stops on it.

O L Leigh

Are you familiar with Fareham, Kirkby or Ormskirk station's? If so you will know what I mean. If not, imagine two through lines on a regular station with platforms but with one line now blocked by buffers thus preventing a through service (as is Fareham on one line only) Or in the case of Kirkby both through lines have back to back buffer stops preventing a train from making a through journey. However the through journey can proceed by walking from your DMU to the EMU a few yards down the platform past the buffers. phew!

 

[pendolino]

You mean p9/10. Should count: p9 is a bay for trains down to Tooting and the Sutton Loop (FCC) I think, and isn't in use too much, and p10 is now the Croydon Tramlink bay, it was heavy rail for West Croydon (now occupied by the tram), but saying all of this, I think it is physically blocked in the middle by something other than buffers, and was all along.

I'll take your word for it, I haven't looked that closely!

 

[Bedpan]

No, Platform 9 is a through bi-directional line used by FCC ( and some Southern trains during the rush hours) - Blackfriars via Tooting in one direction and Blackfriars via the Sutton loop in the other.

Platform 10 is used by the trams at the country end, and as a bay platform for heavy rail (although I can't recall ever having seen anything in it) at the London end. The track for the trams has been raised about 2 feet to compensate for the lower floors on the trams, so that they are ayt platform level.

Prior to Croydon Tramlink (or London Tramlink as its now called) platfornms 9 and 10 were both through lines, 9 being the up line and 10 being the down line. The West Croydon - Wimbledon trains usually used to terminate in platform 9 also.

 

[455driver]

Platform 10 is used by the trams at the country end, and as a bay platform for heavy rail (although I can't recall ever having seen anything in it) at the London end.

I have only ever seen one train stabled in there (a Southern 455) about 2 years ago, made me look twice

 

[swt_passenger]

Prior to Croydon Tramlink (or London Tramlink as its now called) platfornms 9 and 10 were both through lines, 9 being the up line and 10 being the down line. The West Croydon - Wimbledon trains usually used to terminate in platform 9 also.

Giving that platform over to the tram system probably seemed a great idea at the time, but I don't think it would happen nowadays. Running twice as many trains round the loop is a NR aspiration once Thameslink is in place, (ie 4 tph Blackfriars to London Bridge) but the present layout isn't too clever for that. It would require 8 calls an hour at Wimbledon, but timekeeping would need to be pretty exact because alternate trains would be in opposite directions.

Is there anywhere else practical to relocate the tram platform - outside the station would probably be a good idea if only to get rid of all those Oyster PAYG questions...

 

[driver9000]

Are you familiar with Fareham, Kirkby or Ormskirk station's? If so you will know what I mean. If not, imagine two through lines on a regular station with platforms but with one line now blocked by buffers thus preventing a through service (as is Fareham on one line only) Or in the case of Kirkby both through lines have back to back buffer stops preventing a train from making a through journey. However the through journey can proceed by walking from your DMU to the EMU a few yards down the platform past the buffers. phew!

Although Kirkby and Ormskirk share the same single platform face, the lines are not physically connected to each other so are not through lines despite them having been through lines in years gone by. Kirkby has a large concrete block between the two buffer stops with trains stopping at least 30 feet apart. Ormskirk has around 6 feet between the two sets of rails and the diesel service rails are a little higher than the DC service rails. I agree with O L Leigh though in saying that buffer stops on a through platform stops it being a through platform - Ormskirk even has different platform numbers for the two sides of the stops.

 

[David Dunning]

I dont think Fareham really counts . If you removed the buffer stop you'd end up down the hole between the two A27 bridges , not on your way to Cosham .

 

[swt_passenger]

I dont think Fareham really counts . If you removed the buffer stop you'd end up down the hole between the two A27 bridges , not on your way to Cosham .

It surely counts if you interpret the original question as referring to platforms originally built as through platforms that now have buffers.

 

[David Dunning]

ummm i see your point
in which case how about
Gunnislake
Bere Alston
Battersby

However i did read it as situations similar to the Kirkby/Ormskirk layout which originally there was a buffer in the middle of a line between the two systems , and I didnt think that Fareham counted as the line wasnt blocked it was terminated

 

[Bedpan]

Giving that platform over to the tram system probably seemed a great idea at the time, but I don't think it would happen nowadays. Running twice as many trains round the loop is a NR aspiration once Thameslink is in place, (ie 4 tph Blackfriars to London Bridge) but the present layout isn't too clever for that. It would require 8 calls an hour at Wimbledon, but timekeeping would need to be pretty exact because alternate trains would be in opposite directions.

Is there anywhere else practical to relocate the tram platform - outside the station would probably be a good idea if only to get rid of all those Oyster PAYG questions...

I don't think so, no way of building a platform 11 adjacent to platform 10 years ago they built the Centre Court shopping centre adjacent to platform 10 - there is just about room for another track alongside platform 10, but not a platform to go with it.

The only other feasible place would be on the south side of the bridge, which is about 200 yards from the station footbridge which is itself at the south end of the platforms. Unless of course there was room under the bridge itself - I don't know the answer to that one.

 

[jopsuk]

Or, think differently- off the reserved alignment at Dundonald Road, and round the loop formed by the A219.