• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Which buses do you dislike?

Status
Not open for further replies.

jamesontheroad

Established Member
Joined
24 Jan 2009
Messages
2,233
Location
Umeå, Sweden
Anything built by Marshalls of Cambridge. I can only hope the military hardware they manufactured was built a bit better, because their buses were all sheds.

Meanwhile, I have a particular loathing for this one. Nice enough vehicle, but a classic example of the wrong bus on the wrong route. Penny pinching management leading to a truly horrid long distance journey.
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

Class20

Member
Joined
2 Aug 2010
Messages
232
Location
Bamber Bridge
Thanks for reminding me. Marshall bodied Dennis Darts. Now that's a bad bus, made worse when Stagecoach don't maintain them properly. Thankfully they've withdrawn them all from Preston.
 

danielnez1

Member
Joined
14 May 2012
Messages
311
Location
Seghill
I have bitter memories of the Arriva Northumbria Cityzens:

Picture (not mine)

As with every other bus in the Arriva Northumbria patch they were run down into the ground and filthy. When it rained, water would pour through the window frames and the fluorescent light gondolas. They always smelt damp and usually had mould growing on the side carpets beneath the windows. When they went round a corner, gaps from the inside to the outside would appear in the bodywork especially around the rear upper emergency exit window. The high backed "Kustombilt" seats (which were great when new) were usually bust with the back support gone in them.
 

Mikey1984

Member
Joined
22 Sep 2012
Messages
15
Personaly I'm not a fan of the Enviro 400. Plasticy interior and not a comfy ride at least on the ones where I live.
 

Blindtraveler

Established Member
Joined
28 Feb 2011
Messages
10,544
Lothian's E400Hs are crap, and are forever breaking down.
At least half of the buses I've seen being brought back into the depot by a Mcphie's truck in the last six months have been the hybrids.
Quite impressive when you consider that there are only 15 of them, out of over 200 buses at my depot.


Rumour is we may be getting rid of them in the next couple of years because they're so unreliable.



music to my ears! Sick of them sitting down half way up Leith walk. I like the idea but the realitty is far from good. The fact there ADL Says a lot in my mind. Wonder how the Volvo Hybrids will do and what route they will go on? The 1 perhaps?
 

90019

Established Member
Joined
29 May 2008
Messages
6,890
Location
Featherstone, West Yorkshire
music to my ears! Sick of them sitting down half way up Leith walk. I like the idea but the realitty is far from good. The fact there ADL Says a lot in my mind.
It seems telling that when they were being delivered from ADL, one of them broke down on the way to Edinburgh.
Wonder how the Volvo Hybrids will do and what route they will go on? The 1 perhaps?
Everyone seems to be saying they're going on the 1.
Since they're Volvos, they should be better built and more reliable than the Enviros. Hopefully they'll be nice to drive too.
 

BestWestern

Established Member
Joined
6 Feb 2011
Messages
6,736
Thanks for reminding me. Marshall bodied Dennis Darts. Now that's a bad bus, made worse when Stagecoach don't maintain them properly. Thankfully they've withdrawn them all from Preston.

I used to drive Marshall Capital's on a regular basis, and I have to say I never found the bodywork to be all that bad, the cabs were far more spacious than a Pointer's. Ours were ex-London so mechanically they were utterly shagged, but the bodies were ok. I always liked the Optare Solo too, another often panned vehicle which actually isn't all that bad. Yes they rattle I know, but then what doesn't?! Anyone who struggles with a shift in an Optare or a Dart has clearly never been on a minibus rota where every day is spent at the helm of an utterly knackered Iveco Daily with a shagged manual 'box, an impossibly heavy clutch and frighteningly uneven steering!

Regarding the Scania OmniCity, we had those too, 54 plate ones, and they were shockingly badly put together. A very nice drive admittedly, but a poor product in general. The bodywork was absolute crap, and they spent half their time stranded at the roadside with various faults. Some of the more common ones included emergency door sensors which imagined the door was open when it wasn't and then locked the handbrake on, and engine covers which managed to shift enough to move switches and isolate the ignition. The whole lot had replacement emergency exits fitted in the end. Now they're getting on a bit many of them have large rips in the flooring at the base of the rear seats, as the bodies slowly start to droop behind the rear wheels, and some of them sport a sexy metal plate which has been crudely riveted over the gap.

Other features included doors which would open only half a leaf unless you were utterly stationary when you hit the button, and wheelchair ramps which would lock the brakes on even after you'd stowed them. Worryingly for Scania, the chassis weren't brilliant either. Ground clearance was abysmal, and on lumpy roads the self-levelling suspenion would override the ferry lift just as you reached the crucial bump. I could go on :|

Give me a Volvo B10BLE with Wright Renown bodywork and I'll drive it all day long!
 
Last edited:

route101

Veteran Member
Joined
16 May 2010
Messages
12,243
It seems telling that when they were being delivered from ADL, one of them broke down on the way to Edinburgh.

Everyone seems to be saying they're going on the 1.
Since they're Volvos, they should be better built and more reliable than the Enviros. Hopefully they'll be nice to drive too.


Is the 1 still all singles?

Lothian buses seem like a dream compared to first Glasgow:lol:
 

Rich McLean

Established Member
Joined
6 Feb 2012
Messages
1,757
TransBus Trident II's. The engine sound is mundane and boring, very bland buses, and crap seating to boot
 

BrummyBoy

Member
Joined
2 Jul 2010
Messages
181
Location
Erdington, Birmingham
Volvo B6LE (especially NXWM's examples). All underpowered and rather cramped, and rattle a lot, only plus side is the styling. Also cant say im keen on the Scania Omnidekka/Omnicity DDs.
 

MCR247

Established Member
Joined
7 Nov 2008
Messages
10,290
Oh I've just remembered one: Scania Omnitowns. Vile buses. I think NCT regret buying them as well :|
 

90019

Established Member
Joined
29 May 2008
Messages
6,890
Location
Featherstone, West Yorkshire
Every Y reg Pointer in the fleet is sh*te, but 183 and 185 are the worst of the ones currently at my depot.

And I had 183 for 5 hours today. <(

On a 19/24/47, too, starting on a 47 out to Penicuik. :roll:
Frankly, I'd rather walk to Penicuik than drive 183 there.
I had to stop going up the hill between the town centre and Ladywood, and when I got moving again, the bus topped out at a whopping 7mph. It's painfully slow moving away from stops, and sometimes when people let you out, it takes so long to get moving that they start to get annoyed and come past anyway.


A few more things I hate about 183:
The driver's seat wobbles.
The cab door has a window that slides up rather than down, so you can't lean on it.
The driver's window rattling is bloody deafening at speed.
The Wayfarer never works properly on 183, and for most of today it wouldn't print any tickets, and then as I was on my last trip, it died completely.
To keep the bus going at a constant speed, you have to keep going on and off the throttle.
The little box on the steering column with the indicator stalk on it is perfectly placed to get in the way of my knee whenever I'm braking, making it pretty uncomfortable.
There's a nice sharp bit of metal that the cab door sits against, and because the door is so narrow, I regularly hit my knee off it.


Those last two go for all the Pointers, though.
 

trentside

Established Member
Joined
14 Aug 2010
Messages
3,390
Location
Messroom
The Lothian SPDs sound quite horrendous, though I've never heard much good about the long low-floor Dart SLFs. Yourbus bought 153, 156 and 160 from Lothian and have reportedly recently withdrawn them in favour of some ex-London Citaros. Never managed to catch a ride on one, but sounds like I was spared an awful experience!
 

90019

Established Member
Joined
29 May 2008
Messages
6,890
Location
Featherstone, West Yorkshire
The Lothian SPDs sound quite horrendous, though I've never heard much good about the long low-floor Dart SLFs.

The newer (52 and 53 plate) ones are fine - I had 70 for the rest of my shift, which is one of the 52 plate ones, and I quite like it. Granted there are a couple of crap ones (54 springs to mind), but they're to be the exception, rather than the rule.

It's just the old Y reg ones that are all buckets.


They're not that long anyway - they're the smallest buses I drive. :D
 

34D

Established Member
Joined
9 Feb 2011
Messages
6,043
Location
Yorkshire
I have bitter memories of the Arriva Northumbria Cityzens:

Picture (not mine)

As with every other bus in the Arriva Northumbria patch they were run down into the ground and filthy. When it rained, water would pour through the window frames and the fluorescent light gondolas. They always smelt damp and usually had mould growing on the side carpets beneath the windows. When they went round a corner, gaps from the inside to the outside would appear in the bodywork especially around the rear upper emergency exit window. The high backed "Kustombilt" seats (which were great when new) were usually bust with the back support gone in them.

Oh yes, I've driven this bus and others in the batch, and they oscillate/wallow at maximum speed (which for them was no more than 50), also the cabs have no convenient place to put mobile phone/pens/etc.

I used to drive Marshall Capital's on a regular basis, and I have to say I never found the bodywork to be all that bad, the cabs were far more spacious than a Pointer's. Ours were ex-London so mechanically they were utterly shagged, but the bodies were ok. I always liked the Optare Solo too, another often panned vehicle which actually isn't all that bad. Yes they rattle I know, but then what doesn't?! Anyone who struggles with a shift in an Optare or a Dart has clearly never been on a minibus rota where every day is spent at the helm of an utterly knackered Iveco Daily with a shagged manual 'box, an impossibly heavy clutch and frighteningly uneven steering!

Regarding the Scania OmniCity, we had those too, 54 plate ones, and they were shockingly badly put together. A very nice drive admittedly, but a poor product in general. The bodywork was absolute crap, and they spent half their time stranded at the roadside with various faults. Some of the more common ones included emergency door sensors which imagined the door was open when it wasn't and then locked the handbrake on, and engine covers which managed to shift enough to move switches and isolate the ignition. The whole lot had replacement emergency exits fitted in the end. Now they're getting on a bit many of them have large rips in the flooring at the base of the rear seats, as the bodies slowly start to droop behind the rear wheels, and some of them sport a sexy metal plate which has been crudely riveted over the gap.

Other features included doors which would open only half a leaf unless you were utterly stationary when you hit the button, and wheelchair ramps which would lock the brakes on even after you'd stowed them. Worryingly for Scania, the chassis weren't brilliant either. Ground clearance was abysmal, and on lumpy roads the self-levelling suspenion would override the ferry lift just as you reached the crucial bump. I could go on :|

Give me a Volvo B10BLE with Wright Renown bodywork and I'll drive it all day long!

I really like the omnicities, and so does a mechanic friend. Can I just check that I have the differences between the omnis correctly:

Omnicity - upright engine
Omnitown - weird uk built body with scania front, upright engine
Omnilink - engine on side
Omnidecker - double deck, upright engine
 

MCR247

Established Member
Joined
7 Nov 2008
Messages
10,290
Yeah. You also missed the Scania Omnicity double decker which afaik is fully scania built unlike the omnidekka which was an East Lancs (now omptare) body. The omnidekka is no longer available. The last one built is one of NCTs Go2 purple and is found on the 89 :)
 

Blindtraveler

Established Member
Joined
28 Feb 2011
Messages
10,544
@90019
poor you with your shift today, that just about sounds like torcher esp the hill to Ladywood. Just a querie, can you refuse to take a particular vehicle for reasons such as this?
@Trentside
the only way youl know how bad our Y Reg Sheds are is to megabus it up here and try m for yourself! No matter how much me, 90019 and anybody else round here rants it will never completely create the experience of a ride on one! So for a bus journey of 2 halfs try transfering from a megabus Panther to Lothians 183 inside of an hour, then youl have really lived :) :)
 

Blindtraveler

Established Member
Joined
28 Feb 2011
Messages
10,544
oh and whilst I'm here I have a special dislike for any vehicle opperated by McEwans of Dumfries on there Dumfries to Edinburgh services. All gastly although they generally get here, eventually but it really is a journey for the intrepid enthusiast! The run incidentally is part SPT Subsidised and is currently on borrowed time as far as current arangements stand. Who I wonder will get it next, if anyone?
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
@90019
thats, ur, unfortunate, putting it nicely!
 

BestWestern

Established Member
Joined
6 Feb 2011
Messages
6,736
Nope, only if there's actually a fault with the bus.
Unfortunately, being a total bucket isn't a fault that you can reject a bus for.

I'd have said that recording 7mph up a hill is a safety issue, got to be grounds for refusal there. Though admittedly you'd upset the other bloke on a non-hilly duty who got your shed after they swapped the allocations over! :D
 

deltic1989

Established Member
Joined
21 Sep 2010
Messages
1,483
Location
Nottingham
Might have already been mentioned, but Nottingham City Transport's Scania Omnidekkas to me are awful, the seats are uncomfortable and they seem to lack any form of suspension.
 

route101

Veteran Member
Joined
16 May 2010
Messages
12,243
oh and whilst I'm here I have a special dislike for any vehicle opperated by McEwans of Dumfries on there Dumfries to Edinburgh services. All gastly although they generally get here, eventually but it really is a journey for the intrepid enthusiast! The run incidentally is part SPT Subsidised and is currently on borrowed time as far as current arangements stand. Who I wonder will get it next, if anyone?
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
@90019
thats, ur, unfortunate, putting it nicely!


I took this route about 18 months ago and it was a solo verso or something that .

Dont see why Citylink could operate this route with all coaches.
 

90019

Established Member
Joined
29 May 2008
Messages
6,890
Location
Featherstone, West Yorkshire
I'd have said that recording 7mph up a hill is a safety issue, got to be grounds for refusal there.

To be fair, on most hills it can manage about 15mph, and if you get a run up you can sometimes keep it up towards 30 most of the way up, it's just if you have to stop on a steeper hill that you're stuffed.
All of the Y regs are the same, they'll struggle to get out of first on steeper hills.

Though admittedly you'd upset the other bloke on a non-hilly duty who got your shed after they swapped the allocations over! :D

Unfortunately there's no such thing as a non-hilly duty in Edinburgh.
I have managed to do something similar in the depot in the morning before, though, managed to find a fault with my bus that needed fixed, so I got someone else's instead. :D
 

BestWestern

Established Member
Joined
6 Feb 2011
Messages
6,736
Might have already been mentioned, but Nottingham City Transport's Scania Omnidekkas to me are awful, the seats are uncomfortable and they seem to lack any form of suspension.

Lack of suspension is an Omni' characteristic it seems. I'm unsure as to why these things have suddenly become so popular, I can only assume they must be cheap.

Unfortunately there's no such thing as a non-hilly duty in Edinburgh. I have managed to do something similar in the depot in the morning before, though, managed to find a fault with my bus that needed fixed, so I got someone else's instead. :D

Must confess I hadn't thought about that!
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top