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Where next for International services on HS1?

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Jorge Da Silva

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Following the announcement of London-Bordeaux services HS1 has eyed Frankfurt.

https://www.railwaygazette.com/news...gh-speed-rail-service-blueprint-unveiled.html

EUROPE: A ‘blueprint’ for the operation of direct high speed services to and from London was presented to the Mayor of Bordeaux and the President of the Nouvelle-Aquitaine region on April 29.

The proposals are being developed jointly by HS1 Ltd, which manages the high speed line between London and the Channel Tunnel, Channel Tunnel operator Eurotunnel, French infrastructure manager SNCF Réseau and Tours – Bordeaux high speed line infrastructure concessionaire LISEA.

HS1 Ltd said the aim was to produce a package of train paths which would ‘allow for a new international train operator to get the direct service to Bordeaux up and running within two years’. This operator would not have to be Eurostar; the only current Channel Tunnel high speed train operator told Railway Gazette on April 30 that it was currently focusing on developing the London – Amsterdam route which it introduced last year.

HS1 Ltd predicts that up to 200 000 passengers/year would use a London – Bordeaux service. Last year the infrastructure managers agreed to study the feasibility of adapting Bordeaux Saint-Jean station to handle passengers traveling to and from the UK.

‘The prospect of travel between the centre of London and Bordeaux in less than 5 h brings southwest France within easy reach for business travellers and holidaymakers’, said Keith Ludeman, Chair of HS1 Ltd.

HS1 Ltd said it also has ‘other international target destinations’ including Genève and Frankfurt.

Where next after Bordeaux service is introduced?
 
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We have had this discussion before. Incidentally no train operator is yet proposing a Bordeaux service; I imagine they are waiting to see how Br**it pans out.

The only realistic destinations based on market size and distance are Geneva, Frankfurt via Köln, and possibly Zurich at a stretch. Everywhere else is too far, or too small a market.

Bordeaux, if it happens is likely to be a long weekend service, like Avignon / Marseille / ski train.

Edit: found some thread links:

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/amsterdam-eurostar.154035/page-12#post-3332517

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/is-eurostar-a-wasted-opportunity.168339/page-8#post-3597600
 
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Peter Kelford

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We have had this discussion before. Incidentally no train operator is yet proposing a Bordeaux service; I imagine they are waiting to see how Br**it pans out.

The only realistic destinations based on market size and distance are Geneva, Frankfurt via Köln, and possibly Zurich at a stretch. Everywhere else is too far, or too small a market.

Bordeaux, if it happens is likely to be a long weekend service, like Avignon / Marseille / ski train.

Edit: found some thread links:

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/amsterdam-eurostar.154035/page-12#post-3332517

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/is-eurostar-a-wasted-opportunity.168339/page-8#post-3597600

Maybe the French way could help:

10 coaches from Bretagne, 10 from Toulouse. Stop at Versailles or Massy. Tunnel. Destination in London. Would only work with an invisible border, though. Maybe checks could be done between Paris and Lille with 'illegals' removed at Lille for the police to arrest them.
 

Peter Kelford

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Maybe the French way could help:

10 coaches from Bretagne, 10 from Toulouse. Stop at Versailles or Massy. Tunnel. Destination in London. Would only work with an invisible border, though. Maybe checks could be done between Paris and Lille with 'illegals' removed at Lille for the police to arrest them.

Actually, maybe the outgoing TGV Réseau could be used?
 
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