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When did guards and ticket collectors become one role, if it ever wasn't?

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In the old staff rule books and general appendixes I read, they refer to guards and ticket collectors. When were the roles merged, if they ever were? I know there are revenue protection inspectors. Are these modern version of ticket collectors? I know of guards who don't deal with tickets and of guards that do. Did guards deal with tickets back in the 1930s at all?

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In the 1980s. Before that the guard looked after safety, train dispatch, parcels, shunting if required etc. The Traveling Ticket Inspectors did tickets.
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As a general rule I should have said - on local pay trains, guards sold local tickets decades before - at least the 60s?
 

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Still plenty of services out there that have both.
 

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GWR auto-trains introduced wayside "Halts" in the 1920s-30s, the difference to a station being they had no staff, and the guard sold tickets (generally described as "like bus tickets")directly to passengers from these. When there was more than one coach the guard hopped out at the station and directed any waiting passengers into his own coach.

There were also oddball arrangements at these Halts for the guard of the last train before sunset to turn the lights on, and the last train of the day to turn them off (sometimes delegated to an alighting regular and reliable passenger).

It seemed to me to be in the 1970s that TTIs as a separate position on main line services were merged with guards to create conductor-guards. Until then guards were meant to keep a lookout for signals through their periscope and guard the mails and parcels, not being involved with tickets. TTIs seemed to work to a regular pattern rather than "snap" inspections on main line trains; on cross country services with multiple stops they always seemed to appear at the same place. They used to resolve all sorts of issues for passengers, who never really saw the guard, even to the extent of throwing notes out when passing signalboxes, to be telephoned forward. I never saw this last activity myself but have read it described many times.
 

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On starting on BR in 1982, I went to Huddersfield where we had many Pay train duties, with the ocassional LHCS trains in the summer.
We had a TI on the entry to the platforms,. We took the ticket machine up the branch and we had the excess book to sell journeys further than Huddersfield.
At this time, A passenger guard did what it said on the tin, and a freight guard did the same.
The guard got paid Paytrain commission on the amount of money you took.
This was not a big sum, but it all helped.
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These were the happy times, and a pleasure to go to work
 
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On our heritage line we still have guards (who look after the train) and TTIs (who check tickets and look after the pax). But then, with a volunteer workforce, we don't have to worry about the wage bill!
 

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On our heritage line we still have guards (who look after the train) and TTIs (who check tickets and look after the pax). But then, with a volunteer workforce, we don't have to worry about the wage bill!

Shame on you - paying below the minimum wage! ;)
 
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