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What's happened to getting advance singles?

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scampi100

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I regularly make a return journey from Liverpool Lime St to Bristol Temple Meads - typically travelling out on a Thursday early evening and returning Monday morning - and have done for a few years. With just a little organisation I always used to find that the journey could be made for around £40 return by purchasing two advance singles. Recently though - and seemingly coinciding with the fare restructuring (which seems far from simplified in my view!) - I've found it nigh on impossible to achieve this, even when searching for fares almost 8 weeks ahead. So I'd like some advice on whether I'm doing anything wrong or whether these fares are just no longer easy to come by.

I've used National Rail, The Trainline (when it works) and Cross Country websites; what I tend to find is that the 'Off peak' £60 return is always offered (am i correct this is the same as the old Saver return, and that it can still be purchased as a 'walk-up'?), but when searching for two singles, there is never any option for anything other than a £49 single; by way of example, this is what has just come up for a return journey on 4 Dec, returning on 8 Dec. Often, there isn't even any evidence that advance singles are even *available*, let alone that they're all sold out. And yet.... sometimes they *do* weirdly appear and at incredibly short notice. last week, I searched for a single from liverpool to Bristol, travelling last Thursday; Monday - nothing under £49; after a random search again on Tuesday or Wednesday, using the same website, I got a fair for £16.50!

So I couldn't be more confused really. Cross Country have told me that they're releasing as many single fares as they used to, but that they're just selling out quicker. Is this really true? I might be sceptical but the utter unpredictability of all this and the uselessness of so many of the websites makes me wonder. Any thoughts?

Thankyou!
 
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rail-britain

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Do Arriva Cross Country still operate direct services between Liverpool and Bristol?
I suspect you may now have to split the journey and change en-route
Where this occurs, also split the ticket
example :
Liverpool - Crewe
Crewe - Bristol

I had to book a ticket Glasgow - Cardiff last week
I did this by splitting the outward at Crewe and Birmingham, with the return via London

Presumably you are searching tickets for December, and at this moment in time only the core services with advanced tickets have been released
It is likely the rest will be released at the end of October
 

me123

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Hello, welcome to the forums!

Yes an Off-Peak Single is the new name for the Saver.

Using NXEC's very good journey planner, I can see that Advance Singles are available from £10.50 to £30, but are not available for (m)any services. Using only one ticket, that off-peak return is your best fare :(

However, I got the following fare by splitting at Crewe.

LIV-CRE £8.70
CRE-BRI AP £15+£23.50=£28.50

TOTAL: £37.20

Not bad, but it does involve going to Wales and changing trains quite a bit. If you want to try that, it works out a bit cheaper for you. As mentioned, they are quite strict with AP tickets in December so they may be harder to come across.
 

scampi100

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Thanks for the thoughts so far!

I have never really tried splitting before, so it's something to think about. I do always have to change at Crewe or Birmingham (occasionally Stafford) so it's worth looking into this I guess.

I am searching for December, but also November and indeed the rest of october (I do this journey most weeks).

And just for clarification, is AP advanced purchase? and what are the core services? peak-time?

Many thanks!
 

me123

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Apologies: Yes AP is Advance Purchase, but I really should be calling them "Advance" Fares.
 

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Believe XC were recently told off for advertising low advance fares with very few available. Think its a problem with Cross Country being tight and not offering many!!!
 

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Another trick is to simply search for one-way tickets
If you are searching return tickets for Thu 04 December and Mon 08 December, then sadly it will all too often lump it together
Equally, with Monday 08 December being the start of the next timetable many TOCs have not yet released the AP fares for that day

Try each search separately :
Liverpool - Crewe Thu 04 December
Crewe - Bristol Thu 04 December
Bristol - Crewe Mon 08 December
Crewe - Liverpool Mon 08 December

Add them to the basket as you find each one, they will then all be added together, you will only pay ONE credit card fee, and all arrive as one delivery!
 

me123

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Or do the same on NXEC and don't pay anything for delivery!
 

clagmonster

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On NXEX you don't pay any credit card, booking, delivery or any other hidden charge.
 
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