Bish Boy
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Def Kestral and gresleys Hush Hush W1 10000 preferably b4 the water tube boiler was removed lol
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WL113
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At least one of the NBL main line diesels, classes 16, 21(29) 22, 43, D600s.
D600 Active was just as historically important as 10000/10001 and D200.
One of the "Blue Pullman" sets...
D600 Active was just as historically important as 10000/10001 and D200.
One of the "Blue Pullman" sets...
SouthEastern-465
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Surprised nobody's mentioned either the Fell loco (10100) or DHP1....
(see Wikipedia for more on both).
More practically, D600 and the class 21/29 which languished at Woodhams until 1980 really ought to have been saved.
D818 was unnecessarily scrapped by BR Swindon in the mid 80s (not the first time BR showed such atavistic behaviour).
Swindon Cl 120 DMU probably another one.
(see Wikipedia for more on both).
More practically, D600 and the class 21/29 which languished at Woodhams until 1980 really ought to have been saved.
D818 was unnecessarily scrapped by BR Swindon in the mid 80s (not the first time BR showed such atavistic behaviour).
Swindon Cl 120 DMU probably another one.
WL113
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The scrapping of D818 by Swindon works in 1985 was disgraceful, this was the same works that cut up D6319 despite the loco having been sold for preservation. Imagine how popular that engine would be now, the only surviving NBL Main Line diesel....
Ivo
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Having spent the first half of my childhood around slam-door 3xx classes, I would have liked to see at least one of each preserved. If I'd known about the event, I would have been down to Shoeburyness (given it was a grand total of less than two miles away) to get some footage of the last 312 in service on the LTS route it was just before my 14th birthday]. I then had one last hurrah with them on a Walton stopper, to Thorpe-le-Soken (and what happened next, which do not wish to disclose, will remain with me forever!). In essence, I would have liked to see at least one 302, 310 and 312; of the three, I know that ther are still traces of 302s around, but no 310 at all (even allowing for the V-Train). I do not know about 312s (the last slam-door unit), however.
I find it quite sad that one of the final homes of the last slam-door unit would go on to become the first entirely non- slam-door route in the country...
I would also like to see a 'D'-stock unit preserved in a few years' time. The 'D'-stock used to really annoy me (it seemed so bland) - until I got used to the 1996-stock on the Jubilee. Then I started to realise what I was missing. I'm not so keen on the 'A'-stock though, unlike many others.
I find it quite sad that one of the final homes of the last slam-door unit would go on to become the first entirely non- slam-door route in the country...
I would also like to see a 'D'-stock unit preserved in a few years' time. The 'D'-stock used to really annoy me (it seemed so bland) - until I got used to the 1996-stock on the Jubilee. Then I started to realise what I was missing. I'm not so keen on the 'A'-stock though, unlike many others.
Given how unlikely it is we'll ever get an electrified preserved line (I mean mainline and not things like the Volks or Crich), you had to concede EMUs don't make good preservation prospects - given they need some form of loco haulage, for which they may not be designed - some of the Southern units fare better in that respect as they were designed to be used in that way for recovery and non-electrified areas.
Equally, given the aesthetic similarity of many units, I don't think it's a major loss that one of every class hasn't been preserved.
Re the 312 - two cars have been preserved and are at Coventry Railway Centre - owned by http://amemua.co.uk/
Moving forward to the next generation of EMUs likely to be withdrawn, the PEPs, I don't believe we need a 313, 314, 315, 507 and 508 to enter preservation. A single, complete unit (probably a 313) would make the most sense.
My understanding is that D818 was cannibalised to provide parts for D821 in the same way that one of the 2 surviving Hymeks at Old Dalby was cannibalised to provide parts for the other. It is regrettable but understandable when you think about the difficulties of obtaining parts for a 1960's machine. Not on the same scale as restoring a Class 37 for instance.
My reading of it is the parts were obtained when 818 was being scrapped, not that 818 was scrapped to provide the parts.
In the case of the two Hymeks I believe group in question bought both of them with the intention of preserving one and scrapping the other - not totally unreasonable given the condition of 7096.
I thought 818 was never sold by BR nor offered for sale - which makes the situation quite different.
A little video I have made of D600 Active in Trainz 2009 rail simulator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rCwM0XL2sg
818 was also kept on at Swindon so that some of the apprentices could try out their painting skills on it, it received at least three repaints before it was dragged round the back of the works and cut up. It was gradually gutted by the DTG lads for spares for 821, and by the end it was just a shell. It's a real pity though that it couldn't have been saved and kept indoors until the museum was revamped later on, as an example of Swindon's diesel era building programme. I remember when it was cut up the excuse was put about that there was no room to store it inside, but it could easily have been put in the same part of the museum that 50 033 was kept in until it was moved to Tyseley. A great shame, whatever the reasons behind it all....once they're gone, they're gone.
Nidge
PS : As well as D600, D601 was also at Barry
"PS : As well as D600, D601 was also at Barry "
True but didn't Active get scrapped early on? By the time I got there in 1979 only Ark Royal and the Class 21 were there.Wish I could go back in time and buy them :roll:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Ark Royal Barry&w=all
True but didn't Active get scrapped early on? By the time I got there in 1979 only Ark Royal and the Class 21 were there.Wish I could go back in time and buy them :roll:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Ark Royal Barry&w=all
Yes, I think it went before Ark Royal. A real pity, there was a fledgling attempt at saving one of the 'six hundreds' but it fell on deaf ears at the time.
WL113
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The D600s were the best looking of all the early diesels and were certainly historically significant. It was a real pity that none were saved, especially considering the length of time D601 was at Barry. No doubt it was little more than a shell, but that would have been better than nothing.
Class37Fan
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Class 13 Shunter.
Any Slamdoor units, as I used to travel on them to College & back.
Oh the memories with you're friends asking what the wether's like outside, the responce from me was alwyas "Hang on a mo I'll have a check" Stick you're head out the window... then when the 375 Electrostars (Now replaced by 377's) were introduced on the London- Portsmouth route we all loved them... nowday's I dislike the Electrostars, having to wait for the doors to be opened, compared to opening the window then opening the door you're self..... god I miss those days.
Any Slamdoor units, as I used to travel on them to College & back.
Oh the memories with you're friends asking what the wether's like outside, the responce from me was alwyas "Hang on a mo I'll have a check" Stick you're head out the window... then when the 375 Electrostars (Now replaced by 377's) were introduced on the London- Portsmouth route we all loved them... nowday's I dislike the Electrostars, having to wait for the doors to be opened, compared to opening the window then opening the door you're self..... god I miss those days.
This raises the question "Why do we preserve anything?". IMHO, a preserved artefact should be technologically significant, or have social impact. So a Deltic, because of the technology, and a Cl47, because it became the standard for so long; a Western for its design. But not a Hymek (despite a great love I have for these beautiful machines - the technology and the design philosophy are better covered in other classes) or great wodges of Cl37s. I feel much the same about those as I do about Bulleid Pacifics - too many are being "saved" because they are available, with little thought about the reason behind preservation, or the economics. Some things pass, and are best left as treasured memories.
Metadyneman
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I would have saved a complete working unit of London Transport R stock to include one each of R38 R47 R49 and R59 cars.
I would agree with all three, a D600 would have been technologically significant also as our first mainline hydraulic.
I think they were innovative enough, tbh, and also they were Beyer-Peacock's finest diesel product, so worth the effort to preserve.
Have to agree, even though I happen to like Tractors (not a lot, but enough), and of all the steam machines, Bulleid Pacifics do captivate me.
To rejoin the thrust of the thread, I would echo Falcon, and any of the NBL diesels, but especially hydraulic ones. I'd like to see APT-P working, and wish the 252 was complete...
Had a few beers with some friends on Saturday, and, other than current spouses and sprogs, we came to the conclusion that we wish we were ten years older, we would have been teenagers at the end of the hydraulics, and Laira would have had its 25s and 46s too. How good would that be for a Saturday out?
We have similar conversations at work, we all wish we'd been born ten years earlier! In my case, I saw all 74 Westerns (sadly four of them were already on the dump road at Laira), about a third of the Hymeks and only two or three Warships in action. I'd love to have seen the D6xx's and D63xx's on the move though. I do remember on my earliest trip to Swindon Works seeing a couple of the latter minus their bogies, way out in the Con Yard amongst some Hymeks.
Nidge
duffman82
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Yeah but a 313 isn't a 507/8 and since i grew up with 507/8 i'd much prefer a merseyrail unit to be preserved.
WL113
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Good point. Which was first? The NBL D600 or the English Electric D200?
The Decapod
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There's such a huge range of railway stuff that only exists in photos now, it's difficult to pick one thing. But I think I'd plump for LMS mainline diesel locos 10000 or 10001 - or both as they frequently operated as a pair.
Just checked and the first D600 was allocated to Swindon in January 1958, 3 months before the first 40 went to Stratford, so they were the first Type 4's in service.
WL113
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Interesting. So D600 was the first Type 4, as well as being the most technically innovative. D200 was simply a development of 10000/10001 whereas D600 was a bold departure for the North British Locomotive Company.
And D600 looked stunning.....
And D600 looked stunning.....
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I think it is a pity there is not an EMU preservation movement in the same way as locos
I am an eastern person from london .refugee in Essex..shame they could not save a 302-307 unit there are 2 driving coaches at mangaps but in poor condition and a 309 is being put together form odd coaches, why could they not have been preserved from service
like the 421 at the bluebell it is great I went down there to see it sold for a pound by southern, and of course they saved the Lymington sets
the 306 was preserved because the depot manager at Ilford used it for training and restored it bless him ..does anyone remember an LTS unit saved from refurb and running for a few years in original condition it was 217 or 317, considence that the 306 is 017, but then they threw it away,what a waste after starting the project to save it.
I am an eastern person from london .refugee in Essex..shame they could not save a 302-307 unit there are 2 driving coaches at mangaps but in poor condition and a 309 is being put together form odd coaches, why could they not have been preserved from service
like the 421 at the bluebell it is great I went down there to see it sold for a pound by southern, and of course they saved the Lymington sets
the 306 was preserved because the depot manager at Ilford used it for training and restored it bless him ..does anyone remember an LTS unit saved from refurb and running for a few years in original condition it was 217 or 317, considence that the 306 is 017, but then they threw it away,what a waste after starting the project to save it.
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