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What powers do station security actually have?

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being under 18 has no bearing on assault etc . it only has bearing in the relevant sexual offences ( which for under 18 is the breach of trust in a position of authority one, as in most other situatiosn you are fair game at 16)
 
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The byelaws specify actions by "Qperator" or "Authorised Person". If they have no uniform (or external identification badge, etc.) , are passengers entitled to ask them to prove that they are "authorised persons" ?
There's a distinct bias in most of this thread, (in this case 'them' and a requirement to 'prove') in which I'll try remain balanced.
Yes. A passenger is not denied any question to a person employed by 'the Railways' (whether employed by a TOC, NR, BTP or a contractor). The person employed by the Railways is not put to proof by such a question - they are not obliged to 'prove' anything, to any standard of 'proof'.
In response to such a question, I'd expect the prospect of a reluctance, or even indignation, to be equal, whether it is the passenger asking the employee to prove their identity, or the employee asking the passenger to prove their identity.

There have, in the past, been occasions where people have been conned out of their tickets by persons claiming to be a "ticket collector".
I do recall one particular 'character'. But that is far less of a hazard than the number of railway Operators who are conned out of their fares daily, by passengers claiming some falsehood, and often resisting providing their identity while happily travelling without paying.
If it wasn't for the widespread practice of opportunist fare evasion, then there wouldn't be Revenue Protection personnel (directly employed or contracted) in such large numbers on our railways.

I am surprised at the degree of anti-railway opinion on this forum which seems to overlook this underlying cause of much of what is disliked: Fare Evasion.
 
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If it wasn't for the widespread practice of opportunist fare evasion, then there wouldn't be Revenue Protection personnel (directly employed or contracted) in such large numbers on our railways.

I am surprised at the degree of anti-railway opinion on this forum which seems to overlook this underlying cause of much of what is disliked: Fare Evasion.

Regrettably I am not surprised. Cavalier - or reckless - enforcement will inevitably lead to a similar attitude in the railway's customers. It is most unfortunate that the management of these railway private industries do not see the complete picture. Their staff seem to see the problems, their contracted staff do not - pretty much by definition - see the problems in the same light, since they are here today and gone tomorrow. The management are either incompetent or choose to ignore the problems. So we end up with muddle and incompetence. It is indicative that the BTP do not generally choose to be involved and who can blame them? The Police think they ought to be transparent. Do the railway?

So in conclusion there is not "anti-railway opinion" that seems to overlook fare evasion. Just an opinion that would like to see fare evasion treated fairly. Many have seen how the wunch of bankers have been supported for their incompetence and criminality. We are reluctant to see the railway fall into a similar category.
 
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I am surprised at the degree of anti-railway opinion on this forum which seems to overlook this underlying cause of much of what is disliked: Fare Evasion.

Don't mention the elephant in the room, Dave! It's so much easier to be able to blame everything on "The Man"...
 
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