What is left to scrap?

[daccer]

Based purely on anecdotal evidence and with no real statistical backup it does seem that we may be at a stage where there is less slack and spare capacity in both the freight and passenger fleets. This in turn has led to re-use of assets which might otherwise have gone to the scrapyard. Allied to some economic changes such as exporting locomotive to Europe and the price of scrap metal over the last decade or so there does appear to be little left to cut up.

So what is left for the scrappie? Anything?

 

[Topgun333]

I'd imagine anything that is old, breaks down and costs too much to fix. Which means any of the unrefurbed 20s, 37s, 47s for example.

 

[jopsuk]

I think there's piles of mark 2 (and mark 1?) coaches mouldering away at some storage locations, as well as quite a few older diesels

 

[overthewater]

The people on the Peak Fife circular are very happy with the "classic" Ml2 coaches

 

[455driver]

There are loads of TTA tanks with no work now the contract to supply FGW has gone over to road haulage.

 

[Domh245]

The rest of the LU C stock fleet, plus most of the D stock fleet unless anyone else wants to buy them. I'd imagine that when the Deep Level Upgrades start, the 72TS fleet will almost certainly go, and most of the 73s as well. I know that everyone wants to see the pacers gone (see recent threads...) but that isn't going to happen.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Wonder which will last longest, I mean in regular service, Pacers or Mk3 coaches ?.

I can see many remaining but rotting Mk2 and Mk1 coaches going quickly as Mk3 coaches start to pile up :cry:.

 

[breadfan]

Many odd freight wagons across the network. One which springs to mind is on the Wigan to Liverpool line shortly after it leaves the WCML. I think there's a couple just south of Bolton too.

Plenty of old rails in varying amounts of foliage too.

 

[Darren R]

Many odd freight wagons across the network.... I think there's a couple just south of Bolton too.

Yep, they've been there since the area was remodelled sometime in the 90s. It amuses me every time I see them poking out of the foliage, since with impending electrification works they'll probably disappear fairly soon as the overgrowth is cleared so the sidings can be used during the work. Then after the work is complete there will be a couple of entirely different random wagons in their place!

 

[RichmondCommu]

Wonder which will last longest, I mean in regular service, Pacers or Mk3 coaches ?.

I can any remaining but rotting Mk2 and Mk1 coaches going quickly as Mk3 coaches start to pile up :cry:.

Pacers as they are more useful.

 

[Nym]

The rest of the LU C stock fleet, plus most of the D stock fleet unless anyone else wants to buy them. I'd imagine that when the Deep Level Upgrades start, the 72TS fleet will almost certainly go, and most of the 73s as well. I know that everyone wants to see the pacers gone (see recent threads...) but that isn't going to happen.

And 1992TS...

1972TS is actually the most likely to stay in departmental roles compared with the 1973TS or 1992TS. Some D78 double enders may be retained for departmental work and/or shorter services on the SSL or parts of BCV.

 

[Eagle]

Wonder which will last longest, I mean in regular service, Pacers or Mk3 coaches ?.

Considering the work that Chiltern have done to theirs (and that FGW are going to start doing too), I think Mk3s have decades of life still in them.

 

[90sWereBetter]

And 1992TS...

1972TS is actually the most likely to stay in departmental roles compared with the 1973TS or 1992TS. Some D78 double enders may be retained for departmental work and/or shorter services on the SSL or parts of BCV.

Why would the 1992 stock be likely to be scrapped in the medium term? Surely it's only halfway through it's service life, unless there's serious problems afflicting the stock?

 

[Manchester77]

Why would the 1992 stock be likely to be scrapped in the medium term? Surely it's only halfway through it's service life, unless there's serious problems afflicting the stock?

The DC motors basically eat brushes so it may prove more cost effective to replace the fleet with the 'New Tube for London' trains in one blanket contract than retraction.

 

[DarloRich]

To be blunt - EVERYTHING is left to scrap as it will all reach the end of its useful life and then be cut up.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Considering the work that Chiltern have done to theirs (and that FGW are going to start doing too), I think Mk3s have decades of life still in them.

I really do hope so. Certainly the Chiltern ones. Holding my breath on FGW. With Anglia its got to be new locos to happen or re-tractioned HSTs with a pantograph. I wonder how much longer the 442s (the ultimate Mk3) will last with their ancient traction equipment and they are not really ideal for London to Brighton (ideal for Waterloo to Southampton though !). Oh and I suppose some Mk3 sleepers will go on forever.

 

[Nym]

The DC motors basically eat brushes so it may prove more cost effective to replace the fleet with the 'New Tube for London' trains in one blanket contract than retraction.

Theres also a significant amount of other issues, not to mention the project lifespan for the 'New Tube for London' as it's now known will be lasting well into the traditional life expiry of 1992TS...

 

[sprinterguy]

I really do hope so. Certainly the Chiltern ones. Holding my breath on FGW. With Anglia its got to be new locos to happen or re-tractioned HSTs with a pantograph.

"Re-tractioned HSTs with a pantograph"? That seems a strange prediction. Why would anyone replace the 90s with vehicles 7 - 12 years their senior, with all the issues with the fatigue life of the structure and components this inevitably brings, that would need to be completely gutted to replace the diesel internals with electrical equipment, and completely re-wired to provide standard train supply to the loco-hauled mark 3 stock (Unless HST mark 3 carriage rakes were also transferred over, which, in the main are again older than the loco-hauled variants)?

A comprehensive package of reliability improvements on the 90s, as was done to the 91s over a decade ago, would surely work out far cheaper.

 

[Peter Sarf]

"Re-tractioned HSTs with a pantograph"? That seems a strange prediction. Why would anyone replace the 90s with vehicles 7 - 12 years their senior, with all the issues with the fatigue life of the structure and components this inevitably brings, that would need to be completely gutted to replace the diesel internals with electrical equipment, and completely re-wired to provide standard train supply to the loco-hauled mark 3 stock (Unless HST mark 3 carriage rakes were also transferred over, which, in the main are again older than the loco-hauled variants)?

A comprehensive package of reliability improvements on the 90s, as was done to the 91s over a decade ago, would surely work out far cheaper.

I know that a new Loco is best, next best is refurbished (or more thorogh) 90s. Just musing on what could possibly happen to HST loads of coaches !.