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What is "doughnutting"?

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pne

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What is "doughnutting"?

Is that like (or the same as) dumbbelling, i.e. travelling A-B-----C-D and purchasing only A-B and C-D tickets, to be able to pass the barriers at A and D while saving money compared to the full A-D fare?
 
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Yes, it's all about the hole in the middle,
 

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It's something that's never really made sense to me as a term; I've always known of it as dumb-belling.
 

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I would use doughnutting to refer to zonal tickets, eg buying a Zone 2-3 travelcard and using it to get from one side of London to the other (via Zone 1).
 

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AIUI "doughnutting" is a relatively young term that originated from London. It was originally used to refer to outer-zone Travelcards (primarily those not including Zone 1) being fraudulently used to travel through central London. The term arose from the shape of the actual validity area on a zonal schematic map.

After it gained notoriety parallels were drawn between that and "dumbbelling", and over time these two terms became more or less synonymous.
 

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Yes, it's all about the hole in the middle,

AIUI "doughnutting" is a relatively young term that originated from London. It was originally used to refer to outer-zone Travelcards (primarily those not including Zone 1) being fraudulently used to travel through central London. The term arose from the shape of the actual validity area on a zonal schematic map.

After it gained notoriety parallels were drawn between that and "dumbbelling", and over time these two terms became more or less synonymous.

Ah, I see - that makes sense.

Thank you!
 
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