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What does a freight driver actually do?

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bigcat

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Hello guys

I've been looking at retraining as a freight train driver and it's something that appeals to me massively, but I have come to realise I don't know a great deal about it.

Much like my current job, people think they know what it's like from the outside based on what they see in the media etc. But there is sooo much more to it.

Can someone tell me what a driver does (other than the obvious driving of course). From clocking on to finishing what is a typical shift?, how many runs generally, are overnight stays s regular occurrence etc etc.

I understand a lot of these will vary depending on freight company, but I am just after a general idea of what the role entails.
 
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Well let me start by saying I've spent the last ten years as a police officer in the met. Early starts are no issue I'm used to them and I'm also used to working alone for long periods.

I am still massively interested and it's not the shifts or driving I'm querying, I'm just interested to find out what a driver does from start to end in a normal day.

I have to say, I'm leaving my current career due to huge change and morale being at an all time low, but given the comments in this post and on several others, o get the feeling morale isn't great in this profession either???

If anyone sensible can answer my original question I would be grateful
 

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Can we leave this thread for freight drivers to answer please! :roll:

I am not a freight driver so know about as much about driving freight trains as any other non freight driver hence why I havent posted in this thread up to now. So why cant you just bloody leave it alone will you, that way the OP might actually get an answer to his question!

Oh and for what its worth I dont fancy going onto freight or Inter City and am more than happy with my 100 stops a day commuter trains with the odd Pompy flyer thrown in for good measure, oh I also occasionally get to play depot driver and do find it enjoyable but in a different way to mainline work. Each job has its good and bad points and there is no need to infect every thread about train driving with the same old stuff so please try to keep specific threads about the specific things the OP has actually asked about, okay I am not a MOD blah blah blah but come on, every thread?
 

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I sent a pm hours ago to bigcat regarding freight driving. It's an excellent time to get into "train driving" especially freight. Schenker are having to recruit 100 plus trainees for the workload, as are heavy haul, now DRS want them, has its bad points like any job, but I would say the perks make it a canny number, pays excellent and I get a boat load if time off :D
 

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With regards to the orginal question posed....

All sorts! It varies greatly from depot to depot, depending upon what work your depot has allocated to it.
My depot, albeit primarily a coal depot, has quite a variety of work, with jobs booking on at all times of the day. We have some jobs starting at 0200, which entail preparing a coal train and tripping it down to the local port for loading with coal.
Dependant on the loading facility, the train is loaded with diggers/front loaders, which entail you moving the train forwrd under instruction by radio for a few wagons at a time. Then you stop whilst 4-6 wagons are loaded before drawing forward again until the train is loaded.
The train is then drawn out over a weigh bridge to ensure that its is not over the axle weight/ Route availability for the route that the train will take its destination.
At other locations, the train is loaded automatically by an overhead hopper. The train has a slow speed control system, which is set to 0.5mph and the train is drawn forward under the hopper whilst the coal is tipped into the wagons and weighed as it leaves the hopper house.
Once loaded, we usually work the train forward to a suitable relief point where the another driver will take over. We then travel back to depot in a van and repeat with the next train.

Of course, some days you are the relief driver. You drive out to the relief point and meet the train, working it forward either to its destination or another point where you are relieved by another driver. Then its a case of travel back to your home depot by passenger train.

Those coal trains, once empty need to be brought back to their originating point to be reloaded again. Usually this entails travelling up county by passenger train, and working the empty set back.

This is only the coal side fo the work. We work cement, scrap, aggregateand engineering trains at my depot.
Some times, I may not even drive at train at all. Some jobs require us to drive a van to an engineering worksite and relieve another driver, who will take the van back. We then man the train until it is required within the work site. This could entail tipping ballast, loading / unloading sleepers, rails and contractors equipment. Occasionally, the train is not required under your watch so you just travel back in the van once the next relief driver arrives.
We also conduct drivers of tampers, grinders and stoneblowers whindont have the relevant route knowledge for both transitting the trains or to work to/from engineering worksites.
This involes telling the driver you are conducting all over the features of the route as you travel over it, eg speeds, signals, gradients and local instructions.

Some of us, are ex passenger train drivers who have retained their traction qualifications and still drive passenger trains (although empty) to and from overhaulsat various locations around the country.

So, there it is, in simplest of possible terms. Ive tried to minimise the jargon. It may not be for everyone, but grabbing hold of 30+ loaded coalfish without snatching the couplings before plunging over the top of the Lickey bank, on a wet autumn night is infinitely more enjoyable and challenging than flushing turds out of 142.
 
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Brotherhood is key - I'm a former dispatcher and current guard and I always make sure to say hello to the freight men who are generally sat in the mess room on their own!

It obviously does get noticed because a freight man came up to me the other day at a beer festival and said he recognised me from my old platform job where I always used to say hello!

It's not crossed my mind before, but do any freightcos (DBS perhaps) still have a situation where you might have a messroom full of colleagues to talk to or is that gone nowadays?
 

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It's not crossed my mind before, but do any freightcos (DBS perhaps) still have a situation where you might have a messroom full of colleagues to talk to or is that gone nowadays?

Plenty of that still about.
 

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The only place I see drivers sitting around is in passenger mess rooms .
A freight driver not driving is surplus to requirements in the eyes of (mis)management !

This.

Most mess rooms and signing on points are like ghost towns nowadays - you might have 2 minutes to speak to someone as you're starting or finishing but that's about it.

It's the reason why two freight drivers in one cab (route learning for e.g) are like two old women!
 

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This.

Most mess rooms and signing on points are like ghost towns nowadays - you might have 2 minutes to speak to someone as you're starting or finishing but that's about it.

It's the reason why two freight drivers in one cab (route learning for e.g) are like two old women!

Depends what you call full but at my depot on nights you have three ground staff, one tops clerk and three drivers all waiting around for the trains to be loaded.

At another place we share a messroom with DBS and can have anywhere between two or three GBRf staff and two or three DBS staff.

Obviously not like the old days numbers wise but still not exactly solitary.
 
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Whoops it appears I've started something I didn't intend to. Well let me start by saying I've spent the last ten years as a police officer in the met. Early starts are no issue I'm used to them and I'm also used to working alone for long periods.

I am still massively interested and it's not the shifts or driving I'm querying, I'm just interested to find out what a driver does from start to end in a normal day.

I have to say, I'm leaving my current career due to huge change and morale being at an all time low, but given the comments in this post and on several others, o get the feeling morale isn't great in this profession either???

If anyone sensible can answer my original question I would be grateful

Get on the mainline o:D
 

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This.

Most mess rooms and signing on points are like ghost towns nowadays - you might have 2 minutes to speak to someone as you're starting or finishing but that's about it.

It's the reason why two freight drivers in one cab (route learning for e.g) are like two old women!

Thats true
 

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I have just spent a lot of time tidying up this thread. Please stay on topic and keep away from the same old, same old arguments.

Thanks.
 

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Depends what you call full but at my depot on nights you have three ground staff, one tops clerk and three drivers all waiting around for the trains to be loaded.

At another place we share a messroom with DBS and can have anywhere between two or three GBRf staff and two or three DBS staff.

Obviously not like the old days numbers wise but still not exactly solitary.

I was generalising - as #1 mentioned there are times where it's difficult to get a seat or hear yourself think in some mess rooms but I'm talking about Waverly, York and Doncaster - all TOC staff with an occasional freightliner HH driver wrapped in a sleeping bag (I kid you not!).

Not so long ago most DBS mess rooms were similar (with the TCS wrapped in a sleeping bag :lol:) and the banter was great (if you could understand what the Millerhill men were saying or get a word in with moaning Yorkshiremen at Knottingley).

Times change and not always for the best.

If you have mates there and have a bit craic then count yourself lucky - your colleagues in the Aire Valley are as lonely as freight drivers!


Op, in your covering CV I hope you used the phrase "works well alone" ;)
 

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Thanks for the input guys, as I guessed there is much more to it than what us outsiders believe, but I'm not hearing anything that would put me off.

Had a call yesterday to say I have my depot managers interview on the 27th and I literally cannot wait. Any tips on how the interviews are conducted or what I need to know would really be appreciated.

Thanks again
 

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I have to say, I'm leaving my current career due to huge change and morale being at an all time low, but given the comments in this post and on several others, o get the feeling morale isn't great in this profession either???

My experience is that everyone bitches like crazy, but most accept that, in the greater scheme of things, working on the railway is great compared to doing a proper job. :lol:

Having been a Special in BTP, I can say that the same can't be said for the general consensus or morale in the Police. ;)
 

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My experience is that everyone bitches like crazy, but most accept that, in the greater scheme of things, working on the railway is great compared to doing a proper job. :lol:

Having been a Special in BTP, I can say that the same can't be said for the general consensus or morale in the Police. ;)

This is very true. Everyone enjoys a good moan on the railway but we all know what side our bread is buttered on. It is demonstrated by the incredibly low turnover of staff to other industries, especially in operational grades. In nearly ten years on the railway, I know of only one driver who has handed their notice in to do something else and maybe a couple of guards (one came back!)
 

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Managers interview completed yesterday, I'm told there are 4 vacancies at the depot I applied for. Think it went well, but I guess you can never really tell?

Another painfully anxious wait for the next week now, until I get the Yes or No. Anybody else take the interviews for DBS yesterday?
 

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Cheers lads, I certainly hope so, can't face another ten years in the MET!
 

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Managers interview completed yesterday, I'm told there are 4 vacancies at the depot I applied for. Think it went well, but I guess you can never really tell?

Another painfully anxious wait for the next week now, until I get the Yes or No. Anybody else take the interviews for DBS yesterday?

Hello mate,

Which depot have you applied to.
 

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Managers interview completed yesterday, I'm told there are 4 vacancies at the depot I applied for. Think it went well, but I guess you can never really tell?

Another painfully anxious wait for the next week now, until I get the Yes or No. Anybody else take the interviews for DBS yesterday?

Hello Mate!

I am also waiting in the same boat as you! Had interview at Westbury with managers on 27th March. Haven't heard anything back yet despite being told it would be within a week!

Will keep you posted if I hear anything!

Cheers!
 
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