What do we know about new trains for Northern, Chiltern and Southeastern?

[Dan G]

Following on from the Alstom Derby thread, the DfT says there are "procurements in the market being run by Northern, Chiltern and Southeastern". What do we know about what kind of trains and what numbers?

 

[skyhigh]

See:

Northern Tender for up to 450 units

Mod Note: Posts #1 - #83 originally in this thread This was published on Friday afternoon for a new tender for 450 units for northern. https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/022810-2023 The objective of this procurement is to enter into a framework agreement with a single supplier for...

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[Dan G]

Thanks. What about Chiltern and Southeastern though?

 

[SynthD]

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/chiltern-tender-for-20-70-units.252837/

 

[Trainbike46]

There's this thread on the southeastern procurement, but it has been closed as there haven't been any updates recently

SouthEastern fleet replacement updates

Tender placed for SouthEastern fleet replacement: ... The quantity of vehicles in the core order will be between 350 and 570, with an option for up to 70 additional vehicles (these quantities have been calculated using an assumed 20m vehicle length). ... ... The business case will inform...

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[RichJF]

There's this thread on the southeastern procurement, but it has been closed as there haven't been any updates recently

SouthEastern fleet replacement updates

Tender placed for SouthEastern fleet replacement: ... The quantity of vehicles in the core order will be between 350 and 570, with an option for up to 70 additional vehicles (these quantities have been calculated using an assumed 20m vehicle length). ... ... The business case will inform...

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Networkers will end up being the new EPBs and will end up in service for 40-45 years at this rate!

 

[Energy]

Networkers will end up being the new EPBs and will end up in service for 40-45 years at this rate!

The networkers aren't particularly old, only early 30s.

The 321s got early replacement as the rest of the GA fleet was being done at the same time, and because of their poor acceleration compared to 720s.

 

[Sutton in Ant]

All I know is that Southeastern railway is tendering for new rolling stock to be in service in October 2027.

 

[RobShipway]

All I know is that Southeastern railway is tendering for new rolling stock to be in service in October 2027.

Well if the class 465/466 units are still in service come 2032, then the class 465 units would have done about 40 years service. With the potential that start dates could slip, a start date of October 2027 would make sense to be replacing the networkers.

 

[Mikey C]

Well if the class 465/466 units are still in service come 2032, then the class 465 units would have done about 40 years service. With the potential that start dates could slip, a start date of October 2027 would make sense to be replacing the networkers.

And a 40 year life for them is perfectly acceptable.

What isn't acceptable is the condition of them. I'm not sure I've been in trains where interior panels are coming loose, and so many of the windows are fogged up for example.

 

[Sutton in Ant]

And a 40 year life for them is perfectly acceptable.

What isn't acceptable is the condition of them. I'm not sure I've been in trains where interior panels are coming loose, and so many of the windows are fogged up for example.

I think that the new rolling stock will be replacing the networkers in 2027.

 

[Dan G]

Add Churchward (https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-project-churchward.252768/) and the Scotrail HST replacement at the end of the decade and we're back to a real "feast" of orders in the UK rolling stock famine/feast cycle.

We'll need 3,4,5 factories to fulfil these orders if they're not to be imported

And who knows if Alstom wants to bid a Derby product. Certainly the carriage body and bogies of the Aventra are excellent; strong and lightweight. Crying out for generators and batteries to be added.

Potential up to 2,000 job losses at Alstom Derby

I watched most of this - still need to watch the tail-end. Three impressive captains of the rail industry, in one of the more lucid and informative TSC sessions, without much of the local lobbying they are prone to. The HS2 debate was fascinating, with all parties expecting a reset of the...

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