West Yorkshire Day Rover on Grand Central Services

[Blindtraveler]

Hi all.

A tad confused here and this may be due to my Visual Impairment preventing me from seeing maps etc but I am just wondering if I can use a West Yorkshire Dayrover to travel on Grand Central in the boundry area?
http://www.railrover.org/pages/west-yorkshire-day-rover.html
suggests GC arnt one of the participating TOCs but other members seam to have used them without aparent issue.
Any help here appreciated. Cheers.

 

[najaB]

Any help here appreciated. Cheers.

According to the National Rail Enquiries page GC are a participating TOC. Never used one personally so can't give any more help than that.

 

[Tetchytyke]

http://www.wymetro.com/TicketsAndPasses/moresavings/WestYorkshireDayRover/

DayRover tickets can be used on all buses showing the Metro logo, and on trains in standard class, between any station on West Yorkshire's rail network.

And more practically, I've never had an issue.

 

[crehld]

The list of participating TOCs is a bit of a red herring. If tickets are restricted by operator then it must be marked as such on the ticket itself (see condition 10 of the NRCoC). The last West Yorks Day ranger I used had no such restriction written on it.

In addition, WY Metro website (the PTE responsible for the ticket) is quite explicit that the train and bus and train day rovers are valid on "on trains in standard class, between any station on West Yorkshire's rail network" - http://www.wymetro.com/TicketsAndPasses/moresavings/WestYorkshireDayRover/

Furthermore, the PTE terms and conditions of the ticket make no such mention of any operator restriction -http://www.wymetro.com/Weekender_terms/

So in my opinion and more importantly according to the NRCoC and the PTE restrictions, the ticket is unequivocally valid on Grand Central services.

 

[Blindtraveler]

Thanks both. Purely curious as considering using one for a split with a GC Advance. Ta.

 

[najaB]

Thanks both. Purely curious as considering using one for a split with a GC Advance. Ta.

Since one of the tickets is a 'leisure product' am I correct in assuming that the train needs to call at the split point (as 19 (c) only applies to season tickets)?

 

[Tetchytyke]

Thanks both. Purely curious as considering using one for a split with a GC Advance. Ta.

You can only buy the train-only Day Rover on board the train, and the Grand Central train will need to call at the station in West Yorkshire where you intend to change over from the advance to the Day Rover. That won't be an issue as you have an Advance.

 

[crehld]

Since one of the tickets is a 'leisure product' am I correct in assuming that the train needs to call at the split point (as 19 (c) only applies to season tickets)?

Firstly 19c does not only apply to season tickets, but also leisure travel passes too.

Secondly, a West Yorks Day Rover does not constitute a leisure travel pass anyway due to the fact it is only valid for one day:

For the purposes of this Condition, a “leisure travel pass” means any multi-journey ticket (excluding Season Tickets) valid for:

(i)
at least 7 consecutive days;
(ii)
or at least 3 days in a period of at least 7 consecutive days and includes rover tickets, travel passes, flexipass tickets and BritRail passes.

So the OP will need an advance to/from a station in West Yorks (which won't be difficult as Grand Central stop at several).

 

[najaB]

Firstly 19c does not only apply to season tickets, but also leisure travel passes too.

D'oh! You know sometimes you write something and it makes perfect sense when you read it.... I wasn't thinking of leisure products at all - it was PTE products.

 

[crehld]

D'oh! You know sometimes you write something and it makes perfect sense when you read it.... I wasn't thinking of leisure products at all - it was PTE products.

Well the WY Day Rover is also a PTE product.

 

[najaB]

Well the WY Day Rover is also a PTE product.

Yeah. I meant to write 'Since one of the tickets is a PTE product'. I remember a thread about someone who wanted to combine a Manchester Wayfarer (I think) with an Advance ticket and they were adamant that the train didn't need to call at the split point. Though, to be honest, I get a bit confused by your southern geography!

 

[yorkie]

Yes, they are valid.

Condition 10 of the NRCoC does allow tickets to be restricted to particular Train Companies but that doesn't apply in this case.

 

[Blindtraveler]

I believe so, however the service in question does call at the relevant station, Pontifract Munkhill
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Thanks to all, I was purely making totally sure before I bought the Advance!

 

[yorkie]

GC have replied https://twitter.com/GC_Rail/status/690491459712204800

Hi, yes they are valid on Grand Central services