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West Midlands Class 323 - the final countdown

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basfordlad

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I have produced this ready reckoner for the four 323 diagrams at Kings Norton.
It is a mathematical model based on the times of the first trains in the morning from Redditch and Bromsgrove, so the times are approximate.
The headcodes are also calculated.
I've been using it for the last week and it hasn't failed once.
I thought some of you might find it useful.

StationDirectionTimeTrain
Kings NortonTo Redditch05:28Diagram1 5R06
Kings NortonTo Redditch05:58Diagram2 2R01
Kings NortonFrom Redditch06:26Diagram1 2U06
Kings NortonTo Redditch06:28Diagram3 2R03
Kings NortonFrom Redditch06:56Diagram2 2U08
Kings NortonFrom Redditch07:26Diagram3 2U10
Kings NortonTo Bromsgrove07:38Diagram4 2O08
Kings NortonTo Redditch07:58Diagram1 2R09
Kings NortonFrom Bromsgrove08:20Diagram4 2P13
Kings NortonTo Redditch08:28Diagram2 2R11
Kings NortonFrom Redditch08:56Diagram1 2U16
Kings NortonTo Redditch08:58Diagram3 2R13
Kings NortonFrom Redditch09:26Diagram2 2U18
Kings NortonFrom Redditch09:56Diagram3 2U20
Kings NortonTo Redditch10:28Diagram1 2R19
Kings NortonTo Bromsgrove10:38Diagram4 2O20
Kings NortonTo Redditch10:58Diagram2 2R21
Kings NortonFrom Bromsgrove11:20Diagram4 2P25
Kings NortonFrom Redditch11:26Diagram1 2U26
Kings NortonTo Redditch11:28Diagram3 2R23
Kings NortonFrom Redditch11:56Diagram2 2U28
Kings NortonFrom Redditch12:26Diagram3 2U30
Kings NortonTo Redditch12:58Diagram1 2R29
Kings NortonTo Redditch13:28Diagram2 2R31
Kings NortonTo Bromsgrove13:38Diagram4 2O32
Kings NortonFrom Redditch13:56Diagram1 2U36
Kings NortonTo Redditch13:58Diagram3 2R33
Kings NortonFrom Bromsgrove14:20Diagram4 2P37
Kings NortonFrom Redditch14:26Diagram2 2U38
Kings NortonFrom Redditch14:56Diagram3 2U40
Kings NortonTo Redditch15:28Diagram1 2R39
Kings NortonTo Redditch15:58Diagram2 2R41
Kings NortonFrom Redditch16:26Diagram1 2U46
Kings NortonTo Redditch16:28Diagram3 2R43
Kings NortonTo Bromsgrove16:38Diagram4 2O44
Kings NortonFrom Redditch16:56Diagram2 2U48
Kings NortonFrom Bromsgrove17:20Diagram4 2P49
Kings NortonFrom Redditch17:26Diagram3 2U50
Kings NortonTo Redditch17:58Diagram1 2R49
Kings NortonTo Redditch18:28Diagram2 2R51
Kings NortonFrom Redditch18:56Diagram1 2U56
Kings NortonTo Redditch18:58Diagram3 2R53
Kings NortonFrom Redditch19:26Diagram2 2U58
Kings NortonTo Bromsgrove19:38Diagram4 2O56
Kings NortonFrom Redditch19:56Diagram3 2U60
Kings NortonFrom Bromsgrove20:20Diagram4 2P61
Kings NortonTo Redditch20:28Diagram1 2R59
Kings NortonTo Redditch20:58Diagram2 2R61
Kings NortonFrom Redditch21:26Diagram1 2U66
Kings NortonTo Redditch21:28Diagram3 2R63
Kings NortonFrom Redditch21:56Diagram2 2U68
Kings NortonFrom Redditch22:26Diagram3 2U70
Kings NortonTo Bromsgrove22:38Diagram4 2O68
Kings NortonTo Redditch22:58Diagram1 2R69
Kings NortonFrom Bromsgrove23:20Diagram4 2P73
Kings NortonTo Redditch23:28Diagram2 2R71
Kings NortonFrom Redditch23:56Diagram1 2G76
Kings NortonFrom Redditch00:26Diagram2 5G71
i am going to give this a go on Tuesday Afternoon! only want to get the one ride, say as far as kings norton etc
 
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Observations Saturday 13th July 2024.
Redditch to Four Oaks
323211 solo
323201 solo
323216 323222
Bromsgrove to Lichfield
323215 323240.

Observations Sunday 14th July 2024
323215 323240 remains in Four Oaks bay platform. For Monday 15th July 2024
Didn't go to Soho for a unit exchange of duties or swap over of units which is usual on a Sunday.
Redditch to Lichfield in passenger service:
323201 solo
323211 solo
To around 17pm, before cancellations and disruptive passengers more or less ended Cross city services earlier on than usual this evening.
Good to see 323201 back out though.

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Observations Monday 15th July 2024.
Redditch to Four Oaks
323201 solo
323211 solo
323215 323240
Bromsgrove to Lichfield
323216 323222
Still same 4 diagrams this week.
 
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i am going to give this a go on Tuesday Afternoon! only want to get the one ride, say as far as kings norton etc
This is what I used on Saturday, would aim for the 15:45 or 16:15 from New Street to Redditch, the latter should be a double set
 

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UnitNameLast seen in WM serviceSourceNoteDate left WMTo
9 STILL WITH WM (FUTURE UNKNOWN)
323201DuddestonMon 15Jul2024RailUK
323204Selly OakMon 08Jul2024RailUK
323211Four OaksMon 15Jul2024RailUK
323214Wylde GreenTue 26Dec2023RailUKMoved to Soho from Wolverton 08Jul2024
323215Gravelly HillMon 15Jul2024RailUK
323216UniversityMon 15Jul2024RailUK
323221Northfield. In Centro liveryFri 12Jul2024RailUK
323222RedditchMon 15Jul2024RailUK
323240ErdingtonMon 15Jul2024RailUK
17 TRANSFERS TO NORTHERN (NOW COMPLETE)
323202Butlers LaneFri 12Apr2024RailUKTransfer No 4Mon 15Apr2024Wolverton, then Allerton 19Apr2024
323203AstonSat 22Jun2024RailUKTransfer No 16Mon 24Jun2024Wolverton then Blackpool 27Jun2024
323205Blake StreetSat 18May2024RailUKTransfer No 7Mon 20May2024Wolverton then Allerton 23May2024
323206Barnt GreenSat 11May2024RailUKTransfer No 5Mon 13May2024Allerton
323207BournvilleFri 24May2024RailUKTransfer No 9Tue 28May2024Wolverton then Allerton 31May2024
323208Five WaysTransferredTransfer No 1Sat 28Oct2023Allerton
323209Birmingham New StreetThu 09May2024CrosscityTransfer No 6Mon 13May2024Allerton
323210ShenstoneSat 18May2024RailUKTransfer No 8Mon 20May2024Wolverton then Allerton 23May2024
323212BromsgroveWed 27Dec2023RailUKTransfer No 2Thu 04Jan2024Wolverton, then Allerton 10Jan2024
323213Sutton ColdfieldWed 12Jun2024RailUKTransfer No 14Mon 17Jun2024Wolverton, then Allerton 20Jun2024
323217Chester RoadThu 06Jun2024RailUKTransfer No 11Mon 10Jun2024Wolverton then Allerton 13Jun2024
323218Lichfield CityFri 05Jul2024RailUKTransfer No 17Mon 08Jul2024Wolverton then Allerton 11Jul2024
323219Kings NortonSun 09Jun2024RailUKTransfer No 12Mon 10Jun2024Wolverton then Allerton 13Jun2024
323220Lichfield Trent ValleyWed 27Dec2023RailUKTransfer No 3Sat 06Jan2024Wolverton, then Allerton 10Jan2024
323241Dave Pomroy 323 Fleet Engineer 40 Years ServiceSun 16Jun2024RailUKTransfer No 15Mon 24Jun2024Wolverton then Blackpool 27Jun2024
323242AlvechurchSat 15Jun2024RailUKTransfer No 13Mon 17Jun2024Wolverton, then Allerton 20Jun2024
323243LongbridgeSun 26May2024RailUKTransfer No 10Tue 28May2024Wolverton then Allerton 31May2024
Mon 15/07/2024 report
Eight units have been in service in the last week (201: Monday only); 214 is still to make its debut

This week: Same four 323 diagrams (1 Bromsgrove-Lichfield, 3 Redditch-Four Oaks)
… and seven Crosscity 730 diagrams (5 Bromsgrove-Lichfield, 2 Redditch-Four Oaks)

323218, the final unit to go to Northern, transferred to Allerton from Wolverton on Thursday. As all 17 Northern transfers have now happened, this is the last time I'll include them.
 

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Observations today Tuesday 16th July 2024.
Redditch to Four Oaks
323211 solo
323201 solo
323216 323222
Bromsgrove to Lichfields was
323215 323240.

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3223201 has failed at Birmingham New Street at 1930 on the ex 2U58 Redditch to Four Oaks.
As of 2000 hours Tuesday 16th July 2024
Redditch to Four Oaks :
323211 solo, only solo 323 now, remains. On this route 323211 has, Been solid now on this duty for a fortnight. Good unit working hard and strong.
 
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A comment on Facebook post in the 323/730 group suggests 323214 will hopefully be back in traffic next week
 

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Update Tuesday 16 th July 2024.
323221 has took over from 323201 on 2U68 2131 Redditch to Four Oaks from Longbridge just witnessed at King's Norton.
Around 2203, 3 minutes late departing from Longbridge, of where the service started at

Update 2203 hours Tuesday 16th July 2024

Redditch to Four Oaks
323211 solo
323201 to 1830 pm
323221 from 2155 pm
323216 323222

Lichfield to Bromsgrove
323240 323215.
 

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Tuesday 16th July 2024

Went past Soho at 12-30pm. Visible on the Stabling Road nearest the Main line was 323204 against the Blocks with 323221 in front of it not coupled. Could not see inside the Depot.
 

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Just to add to Liam's

201 + 240 - Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove

211 - Four Oaks - Redditch
216 + 222 - Four Oaks - Redditch
221 - Four Oaks - Redditch

204 - Soho
214 - Soho
215 - Soho
 

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My window overlooks the railway, if anybody needs 323 information, please let me know and I'll update you.

I also have other Gen should be required for other services/freight etc.

Here's today's wonderful Centro liveried 323 passing my window:

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323211 cancelled at BHM on the 07:43 this morning. Reason states an issue with the doors. Now eagerly awaiting the 08:15 as I’m already late to work haha!
 

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Thursday 18th July 2024

323216 + 323222
323215

I caught 216 and 222 from Selly oak at 13:33. the set in front which is also booked a 323 was cancelled at new street due to a train fault.
 

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Thursday 18th July 2024

323216 + 323222
323215

I caught 216 and 222 from Selly oak at 13:33. the set in front which is also booked a 323 was cancelled at new street due to a train fault.
Was 323211 with the fault, issues with the doors this morning
 

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323221 has been out and about today.

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323240 & 323201 coupled together also operating today and passed Northfield now

So at least 6 sets in operation.
 
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Observations Thursday 18th July 2024.
Bromsgrove to Lichfield till 1920:
323216 323222
After 1920 :
323222 solo.
Redditch to Four Oaks
323240 323201 all day so far.
323216 solo after 1920pm. Replacing 323215 solo after 1920 pm
323211 till 0800 am and after 1545 pm Solo. Replacing 323221
323221 solo till 1345 pm.
323215 solo from 0945am,till 1920, originally Replacing 323211 earlier on.

Many substituted and swaps today fo 323.

Regards
Warwickshire .
 

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Further update Thursday 18th July 2024. To my last update at 2023 hours:
Witnessed at Birmingham New Street 2335 hours,
2303 Bromsgrove to Four Oaks. 323222 solo from Bromsgrove to Birmingham New Street, then afterwards came: 323221 ecs from Soho, and coupled up with 323222 and from 2335 onwards the final bit from Birmingham New Street to Four Oaks was 323222 323221 as a pair.

 

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Observations Friday 19th July 20
Friday 19th July 2024.
Bromsgrove to Lichfield
323240 solo
Redditch to Four Oaks
323216 solo
323211 solo
323221 323222.

Soho Lmd:
323204 323201 323214 323215 all undergoing repairs.
With 323201 323215 being failures late on Thursday 18th July 2024.
 

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All four diagrams were run with turnarounds at Longbridge, Barnt Green and Lichfield City in the morning due to some kind of signalling or track problem between Kings Norton and Barnt Green. There were only five 323's out so only one double unit, which meant unusually a single 323 worked the Bromsgrove-Lichfield diagram. Seen during the morning and early afternoon:

Diagram 1. 323211 (Redditch-Four Oaks + vv)
Diagram 2. 323216 (Redditch-Four Oaks + vv)
Diagram 3. 323221 323222 (Redditch-Four Oaks + vv)
Diagram 4. 323240 (Bromsgrove-Lichfield + vv)

(Diagrams are those defined in my Kings Norton 'Ready Reckoner' in post #748).
 

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Saw two units heading into Bromsgrove on Thursday (towards the end of video, so scroll through if you don’t want to see the other trains )

Chasing Trains: Light Locomotives
 

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