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TheGrandWazoo

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The Combined Authority has now published a list of all service changes from April.

No great surprises, but just to confirm the key indie service changes:
2V/40/99/P1/X91/Y8 from Big Lemon to Eurocoaches.
20 (Bath, Big Lemon) Timetable change to improve reliability.
25 (Bristol) has been rumoured to pass to Eurocoaches, but still listed as TBC at the time of writing.
41 (Coachstyle) Timetable change to improve reliability.
61 (Eurocoaches) Withdrawn.
62/207 (Eurocoaches) Services combined in to one route numbered 207, which passes to Stagecoach West.
95 (Faresaver) Timetable change.
228/231/271-3/X31/X83-5/X88 (Faresaver) Timetable change.
515 (Big Lemon) Timetable change.
532 (Eurocoaches) Withdrawn.
768 from E-Zec to Via (which i suspect is just an administrative change).
Bath City/Skyline Tours operated by High Experiences (City Sightseeing) and First will have a co-ordinated timetable.
So that leaves Big Lemon with just the 515, X10, 20 and K1 - 6 vehicles. I don't know what other contract work they have but that's looking rather thin so a vacation of Parson Street?

The 62/207 changes once again... I think in the last 15 years, it's been Mikes Travel, First, Stagecoach West, Bristol CT, Applegates, Gwent Vales, Applegates, Eurocoaches and now... Stagecoach West again. Did I miss anyone?

The one real positive is the award of new contracts for Chew Valley and Somer Valley hopefully indicates that these routes are (hopefully) safe for a bit, despite the threats of cuts in July. We can but hope!
 
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So that leaves Big Lemon with just the 515, X10, 20 and K1 - 6 vehicles. I don't know what other contract work they have but that's looking rather thin so a vacation of Parson Street?

I believe X10 is three vehicles. I've never much managed to make sense of how it works as a service.

The 62/207 changes once again... I think in the last 15 years, it's been Mikes Travel, First, Stagecoach West, Bristol CT, Applegates, Gwent Vales, Applegates, Eurocoaches and now... Stagecoach West again. Did I miss anyone?

Did Severnside have it at one point? Newport had a stint on 207 as well, i think. I believe it's only a short term contract with Stagecoach, so perhaps we'll see another name on the list before long.

The one real positive is the award of new contracts for Chew Valley and Somer Valley hopefully indicates that these routes are (hopefully) safe for a bit, despite the threats of cuts in July. We can but hope!

I've been discussing these (and a few other routes) with another operator of late. There must be a more productive way of using the vehicles than the current level of service, but unfortunately there's nobody at the office of the purseholders who are willing to discuss such things. I've somewhat grown out of providing a free consultancy service for the public sector and getting nothing in return.
 

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I believe X10 is three vehicles. I've never much managed to make sense of how it works as a service.
Looking at it the PVR is 2 if you ran it standalone, but it uses more buses because of how Big Lemon run it for efficiency.
1 bus is needed 06:03-08:30 (the first round trip)
1 bus is needed 08:03-16:26 (including an hour break between 2 and 3pm)
1 bus is needed 11:15-19:06

Did Severnside have it at one point? Newport had a stint on 207 as well, i think. I believe it's only a short term contract with Stagecoach, so perhaps we'll see another name on the list before long.
Newport did indeed run the 207.
I think the 62/207 is very much a wasted opportunity. The current 62 seems to take far too long because of plodding all over the place and seemingly insisting on every single trip going different ways (what a great way to get people onboard!). It could be far simpler for everyone, if only Gloucestershire had the willpower to do it.

I've somewhat grown out of providing a free consultancy service for the public sector and getting nothing in return.
Sadly too many public sector employees have a 'not made here' mentality and refuse to acknowledge that there are alternative and better ways of doing some things. Their way or the highway, and none of them are held accountable. Very sad to see.
 

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Newport definitely had a spell working the 207.
 

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TheGrandWazoo

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I believe X10 is three vehicles. I've never much managed to make sense of how it works as a service.
It's two vehicles at any one time but there are some interesting aspects as one arrives at Southmead at 0830 with no corresponding departure, whilst another vehicle then starts at 1115 from Yatton.
Did Severnside have it at one point? Newport had a stint on 207 as well, i think. I believe it's only a short term contract with Stagecoach, so perhaps we'll see another name on the list before long.
Newport definitely had a spell working the 207.
Only now you mention it does it vaguely trigger a memory.

I've been discussing these (and a few other routes) with another operator of late. There must be a more productive way of using the vehicles than the current level of service, but unfortunately there's nobody at the office of the purseholders who are willing to discuss such things. I've somewhat grown out of providing a free consultancy service for the public sector and getting nothing in return.
The 2V is a joy to behold.
 

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It's two vehicles at any one time but there are some interesting aspects as one arrives at Southmead at 0830 with no corresponding departure, whilst another vehicle then starts at 1115 from Yatton.
This seems to happen at both ends. The 12.40 Yatton departure is often parked up at the station before the 11.15 arrives! There seems to be a bus parked there for hours on Saturday morning as well.
Not sure if it's correct, but I was told the timetable is like this as the solo EVs could only do 3 journeys on a charge
 

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This seems to happen at both ends. The 12.40 Yatton departure is often parked up at the station before the 11.15 arrives! There seems to be a bus parked there for hours on Saturday morning as well.
Not sure if it's correct, but I was told the timetable is like this as the solo EVs could only do 3 journeys on a charge
Having a look at the boards on bustimes (big caveat, and not everything tracks and things vary from day to day)...

  • Board 1 starts the day at 0603 and does 0700 ex Yatton. It does a 40 Avonmouth to Cribbs and return and then runs down to Yatton (hence seeing it parked up early) for the 1240 ex Yatton and 1500 return arriving there at 1626 and finishing
  • Board 2 starts at 0803 and does 0915 ex Yatton and 1100 ex Southmead before leaving Yatton and running to Bristol to run the 515
  • Board 3 starts at on the Y8 arr Yate at 0900 and then runs to Yatton for the 1115, and does the 1510 and 1820 from Yatton and the 1300 and 1645 ex Southmead
Not many Solo EVs get to run it and seems mainly in the hands of e200s YX17NRN/NRY/NSK though I did see the Xelabus loan G7XEL on it a few weeks back
 

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The Combined Authority has now published a list of all service changes from April.

No great surprises, but just to confirm the key indie service changes:
2V/40/99/P1/X91/Y8 from Big Lemon to Eurocoaches.
Bath City/Skyline Tours operated by High Experiences (City Sightseeing) and First will have a co-ordinated timetable.
Some good changes there, did see a City Sighseeing Bristol liveried Optare Olympus out and about not too long ago on driver training runs.

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Newport definitely had a spell working the 207.
They had it about this time last year as well if I'm not mistaken.
 

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Travel south west of bristol on a park and ride shuttle service from long Ashton to building site just off a370 in long Ashton for builders
They are currently running
A ford transit hk15xhn
Mercedes 0y09aun
Optare solo fmz3046
 

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nick291

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Travel south west of bristol on a park and ride shuttle service from long Ashton to building site just off a370 in long Ashton for builders
They are currently running
A ford transit hk15xhn
Mercedes 0y09aun
Optare solo fmz3046
Did they ever operate under a different name? Because I don't think I've ever heard of this OpCo before.
 

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The Combined Authority has now published a list of all service changes from April.

No great surprises, but just to confirm the key indie service changes:
2V/40/99/P1/X91/Y8 from Big Lemon to Eurocoaches.
20 (Bath, Big Lemon) Timetable change to improve reliability.
25 (Bristol) has been rumoured to pass to Eurocoaches, but still listed as TBC at the time of writing.
41 (Coachstyle) Timetable change to improve reliability.
61 (Eurocoaches) Withdrawn.
62/207 (Eurocoaches) Services combined in to one route numbered 207, which passes to Stagecoach West.
95 (Faresaver) Timetable change.
228/231/271-3/X31/X83-5/X88 (Faresaver) Timetable change.
515 (Big Lemon) Timetable change.
532 (Eurocoaches) Withdrawn.
768 from E-Zec to Via (which i suspect is just an administrative change).
Bath City/Skyline Tours operated by High Experiences (City Sightseeing) and First will have a co-ordinated timetable.
In connnection with the awards to Eurocoaches a FB post contained a video of 3x ADL Enviro200 MMC (9.7m length) leaving from the Bus and Coach Centre in Oxford (OX33 1EP). The video was posted by the B&CC and they appear to be 3 of 5 that arrived in February this year registered YW68 PCY / PCX / PCZ / PDK / PDO of which PCY, PCZ and PDO have left for Eurocoaches. From the same dealership and for the same operator have departed 2x Volvo B11RT / Caetano (BU18 OTJ and BU18 OTM). A bit of online searching reveals that the vehicles are all ex. Edwards, Pontypridd.

The video of all 5 vehicles departing can be found at https://www.facebook.com/reel/958924556644207

HTIOI,
Dave
 

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Does anyone know what is *actually* happening to the 99 in the upcoming changes?
TravelWEST says its moving from Big Lemon to Eurocoaches with a revised timetable.
The new times/operator aren't showing on TravelWEST timetables, bustimes or Traveline.
Eurocoaches website mentions it but when you click through you actually get their new X91 timetable (which itself *isn't* mentioned on their timetable page)...
 

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I believe it is running M-S to a revised route on all journeys which is Pensford - Chews - Sutton - Harptrees - Compton Martin - Ubley in both directions. I think the first wave of info to BODS was wrong and has been pulled.
 

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Eurocoaches variety out on westlocal routes today
Ex edwards e200mmc on x91 yw68pcy and we think the Mercedes sprinter wo16uox was a replacement bus on x91 covering a breakdown
Wr71yrn was on p1
There was three buses on the 25 two ex Dublin volvo b7tls reg vf05vte and wd05uew and e200mmc yx18knk
 

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Having been on those B7TLs, they are such poor quality inside - even on the 534 college run they are dreadful, let alone for the paying punters of St Pauls - who I'm sure will notice the difference in quality at weekends!
YW68 actually looks half decent though (assuming its destination display was working)!
 

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Having been on those B7TLs, they are such poor quality inside - even on the 534 college run they are dreadful, let alone for the paying punters of St Pauls - who I'm sure will notice the difference in quality at weekends!
YW68 actually looks half decent though (assuming its destination display was working)!
Destination blind was working on the 68 plate e200mmc it switched off just as I took photo
 

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Having been on those B7TLs, they are such poor quality inside - even on the 534 college run they are dreadful, let alone for the paying punters of St Pauls - who I'm sure will notice the difference in quality at weekends!
YW68 actually looks half decent though (assuming its destination display was working)!
If you mean by virtue of having bench seats then you have Dublin Bus to blame for that!
 

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Eurocoaches variety out on westlocal routes today
Ex edwards e200mmc on x91 yw68pcy and we think the Mercedes sprinter wo16uox was a replacement bus on x91 covering a breakdown
Wr71yrn was on p1
There was three buses on the 25 two ex Dublin volvo b7tls reg vf05vte and wd05uew and e200mmc yx18knk
Thanks for sharing. Does WECA not have an age limit for vehicles on contracts then?
 

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Eurocoaches variety out on westlocal routes today
Ex edwards e200mmc on x91 yw68pcy and we think the Mercedes sprinter wo16uox was a replacement bus on x91 covering a breakdown
Wr71yrn was on p1
There was three buses on the 25 two ex Dublin volvo b7tls reg vf05vte and wd05uew and e200mmc yx18knk
Are you sure? Eurocoaches were using a minibus at Broad Quay this lunchtime as a crew change ferry vehicle.
 

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Are you sure? Eurocoaches were using a minibus at Broad Quay this lunchtime as a crew change ferry vehicle.
That was on crew change today
The other day the one we thought was on breakdown cover came out with same driver on it
But who knows as I said we thought
Here's a screen shot from 2 days ago saying bus had broken down
 

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Marcus Fryer

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That was on crew change today
The other day the one we thought was on breakdown cover came out with same driver on it
But who knows as I said we thought
Here's a screen shot from 2 days ago saying bus had broken down
It’s difficult to tell as according to bustimes.org YW68 PCY has never tracked with Eurocoaches, so either it had really broken down or it just wasn’t tracking.
 

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It’s difficult to tell as according to bustimes.org YW68 PCY has never tracked with Eurocoaches, so either it had really broken down or it just wasn’t tracking.
I suspect the latter in that case. Have seen it nearly every day this week on the 25.
 

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Its been on x91s since eurocoaches took over routes and hasn't had ticket machines fitted yet so correct not tracking
Another vehicle not yet tracking is LT68 AOB, a Mellor bodied Mercedes Sprinter, which was being used on the Y8 on Friday (at least).

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Centurion Coaches vehicles vandalised. BBC report:

    • 14 April 2026
Updated 15 April 2026
Two teenagers have been arrested after almost all the windows were smashed on vehicles parked at a storage yard.
Avon and Somerset Police said it was called after the "significant damage" was caused to two minibuses, five single-decker coaches, three double-decker vehicles, and two privately-owned cars at the yard near Midsomer Norton in Somerset.
Staff said five people with their faces covered had been on site when they got there, and a boy in his mid-teens was arrested at the scene before being de-arrested and taken home.
A second boy in his mid-teens was arrested on Tuesday on suspicion of causing criminal damage, and remains in police custody.

A further three vintage vehicles were damaged, and will be "very difficult" to repair, police added.​

Martin Spiller, managing director of Centurion Travel, said the damage would affect the community as well as his family-run firm.
The company previously operated 28 coaches - 10 of which have been vandalised.
Spiller said the firm now faces costs of "tens of thousands" in repairs and finding replacement vehicles to fulfil its contracts - particularly for schools in Bath and North East Somerset now the Easter break has ended.
A coach at night in a depot with its windows smashed. There are remnants of shattered glass with large holes in. The coach is cream coloured with red and burgundy stripes on it.
IMAGE SOURCE, AVON AND SOMERSET POLICE
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The windows were smashed on Monday night, police said
Spiller said the incident was unlike anything he had seen since the business opened its depot in the Welton area in 1973.
"This is 100 years of a family business - it's just devastating," he said.
"You feel sick, angry, resentful. The clean-up cost for the [broken] glass alone, just to get it out is going to take days, weeks.
"We've never had anything like this. It will be the biggest insurance claim we've ever put in. At the end of the day, somebody's going to have to pay."
Avon and Somerset Police has asked anyone with relevant footage or information to get in touch with the force.

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Having been on those B7TLs, they are such poor quality inside - even on the 534 college run they are dreadful, let alone for the paying punters of St Pauls - who I'm sure will notice the difference in quality at weekends!
I had a ride on WD05 UEX yesterday (on the 25) and I thought the quality was fine - a lot better than the First bus on the m4 (39340) that I rode on earlier. The seats were well upholstered and comfortable.
My only caveat was the paucity of bell pushes on the upper deck.
Incidentally, Eurocoaches had four B7TLs out yesterday - three on the 25 and one on the 40; presumably from Monday these will be back on school routes and there will be more single deck/minibus working on the 25 and 40.
 
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Oo25bdt bakers dolphin of weston super mare in bristol today 17/4/2026
Also out on x91 for eurocoaches was e200mmc yw68pcz
 

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Another recent arrival at Euro coaches Rx24tgy on the x91 in bristol this morning

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All enviro 200mmc today on eurocoaches 25 service
Yx18knk
Yx71ohb
Yw68pdo
 

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