MEC
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NCT have stated that the increase in fare caps has had a negative effect on their patronage
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Trainman40083
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I guess you have to create a big enough gap between the bus fare and the alternative, before people choose the bus
callum3490
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The likeliness is the increased patronage came from the cheap fares, the whole point was to encourage people to use the bus and hopefully encourage a switch to public transport as a regular user and gradually increase back to commercial ticket rates
The chances are those that used the buses when the fares were lower did so because it was affordable but would never have become regular users as theres clearly an alternative for them
The taxpayer can’t foot the bill of public transport forever so a return to normal commercial fares is only going to be inevitable and its up to individual companies/operators to react to that
Trainman40083
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Last paragraph....and up their game, making them more attractive.
derbybusdepot
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The taxpayer will always contribute towards bus services in one way or another.
But if we have heavy investment in £3 fares and the bus service improvement plans, and we still see passenger numbers drop, what does that say? A waste of money? Whoever is implementing the schemes doesn't really know what they are doing?
Capped fares may help in some instances, but not in others. That's why some operators opted out of the scheme. It is too much of a one size fits all approach.
Back to Trent Barton, I think they need to up their game in some areas, and get the product right - fewer cancellations, better monitoring of services to maintain even frequencies, even when faced with delays. Too many services bunch up and remain bunched. On the flip side, look at red arrow, it is busy, a success, and there is no £3 fare caps on the service.
It was interesting that for the Christmas lights switch on in Derby the council offered cheaper car parking for the day in the city centre. No discount for bus users though, no mention of them in the marketing for the event. it all paints a picture of a very disjointed approach which I'm sure is replicated in other areas too.
But if we have heavy investment in £3 fares and the bus service improvement plans, and we still see passenger numbers drop, what does that say? A waste of money? Whoever is implementing the schemes doesn't really know what they are doing?
Capped fares may help in some instances, but not in others. That's why some operators opted out of the scheme. It is too much of a one size fits all approach.
Back to Trent Barton, I think they need to up their game in some areas, and get the product right - fewer cancellations, better monitoring of services to maintain even frequencies, even when faced with delays. Too many services bunch up and remain bunched. On the flip side, look at red arrow, it is busy, a success, and there is no £3 fare caps on the service.
It was interesting that for the Christmas lights switch on in Derby the council offered cheaper car parking for the day in the city centre. No discount for bus users though, no mention of them in the marketing for the event. it all paints a picture of a very disjointed approach which I'm sure is replicated in other areas too.
YX73OUB
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One for @Trainman40083 today sees 483 on the threes.
At least it features the number 3 in the fleet number
At least it features the number 3 in the fleet number
Trainman40083
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Oh no!!! SOLO! Did it last the day? I thought the Enviros were doing so well...or maybe they didn't trust a Versa. Every year, I think it will be the last for the pre SR Solos. Yet they carry on.
ceo of 741
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Something’s off here 725 has been of the road since the 3rd of December it didn’t complete all of its trip
It hasnt even been a week... & breakdowns do happen (quite often in Trents case)
Trainman40083
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724 and Notts and Derby 742 have been off even longer. Could be all sorts of reasons.
ceo of 741
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Yeah I’m also wondering what has happened to 724 used to be on the my 15 and 33 all of the time
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And it also looks like 67 at Notts and derby might be getting repainted
aw94
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725 is off for MOT
I was wondering previously if 724 was in for a refurb and a repaint, however it was mentioned where 724 was at.
Trent are spending money on refurbishing the Volvos still which is good to see, especially reading on 741 being treated for some repairs. It goes to show what you can do to 17 year old buses, the refurbished ones are looking mint!
I did wonder on what’s happening with the last TM travel Omnidekka 1174? Seems as 1400 has been in form recently looking at its data, has that had an impact on moving 1174 to Notts and Derby to join the others or is it due for withdrawal?
ceo of 741
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It’s like the wright eclipses are brand new the interiors so modern
I'll be honest I laughed at this. Buses always break down and spend time in the garage, it's a non story!
ceo of 741
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Haha Trent’s maintenance has gotten worse then Nctx never break down although they use bio gas
Is that facts or just your opinion?
Hyebone
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Need I guess?
MCR247
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I saw Navy 48 Yutong E12 being hauled away by a recovery truck the other day though..
ceo of 741
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Oh so they do break down what a surprise
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My opinion
YX73OUB
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Pity nobody told that to the biogas bus I saw being towed in this morning.
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It lasted from 12-6 on the 90 this morning, too on the dupe.
724 at Engineering Support Unit at Langley Mill
Trainman40083
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Allestree route seems more colourful today. 277 , 491 and 495 covering for 265/267/268.
265 will be gone awhile as its at Cummins for a new engine
Trainman40083
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I wonder if the whole batch will need one. They will all have similar mileage, maybe 269 more, given it broke free for a while.
269 had a engine replacement about 12 or so months ago when it blew its engine on the a52 when on a red arrow service
callum3490
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It would be interesting to know what proportion of E200s have had to have new engines especially the number of 4 pots vs 6 pots
You would think the allestree 4 pots wouldn’t suffer too heavily in comparison to those on the nines and the indigo
Trainman40083
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Surprised the Allestree ones have had much wear. They don't exactly go far
YX73OUB
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I'd have thought that allestree is the perfect type of work for those buses.
I can tell you that all of the nines have had new engines.
257, 260 and 263 have had 2. 258 is on its third gearbox.
MCR247
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I wonder who chose the 4 cylinder E200s and if they now regret their choice!
Trainman40083
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I guess YOU often drive, 258 then !
