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Teapot42

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For some reason I have been in bus times over the m1 in trowell there seems to be a streetlite from first Essex going towards wollaton could be a tracking issue
As it's turned off through Chesterfield I wonder if it's moving to Olive Grove?

Just remembered - I spotted a few Yutongs going in to Sheffield the other week. I was told they are storing some intended for Basildon depot - maybe this is taking drivers up to move them on?
 
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As it's turned off through Chesterfield I wonder if it's moving to Olive Grove?

Just remembered - I spotted a few Yutongs going in to Sheffield the other week. I was told they are storing some intended for Basildon depot - maybe this is taking drivers up to move them on?
Sounds logical. A grand day out.
 

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I was at a bus stop in Staveley, Derbyshire today miles away from where any bus related to Wellglade would serve nowadays. However to my surprise a Trentbarton van pulled up and bloke got out to change the timetables at the bus stop and then proceeded to do so at every stop down the road.

Have Derbyshire Council outsourced this now and if so why would wellglade be bothered well out of their patch?
 

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I was at a bus stop in Staveley, Derbyshire today miles away from where any bus related to Wellglade would serve nowadays. However to my surprise a Trentbarton van pulled up and bloke got out to change the timetables at the bus stop and then proceeded to do so at every stop down the road.

Have Derbyshire Council outsourced this now and if so why would wellglade be bothered well out of their patch?
Is Staveley not still in TM Travel area, part of Wellglade?

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Is Staveley not still in TM Travel area, part of Wellglade?
Seemingly not so much, these days. Just a 508 school service.
 

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I was at a bus stop in Staveley, Derbyshire today miles away from where any bus related to Wellglade would serve nowadays. However to my surprise a Trentbarton van pulled up and bloke got out to change the timetables at the bus stop and then proceeded to do so at every stop down the road.

Have Derbyshire Council outsourced this now and if so why would wellglade be bothered well out of their patch?
Trent Barton hold the contract to maintain and clean roadside timetables for Derbyshire County Council, until July 2026.

See the contract award notice on gov.uk

https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/049819-2025

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The contract is for the posting of bus stop timetable information into display cases, and the cleaning and maintenance of bus stop display cases.

Contract 1
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Trent Motor Traction Ltd t/a trentbarton
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£30,000 excluding VAT
£36,000 including VAT
Below the relevant threshold

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25 July 2025

Contract dates
25 July 2025 to 24 July 2026
 

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Trent Barton hold the contract to maintain and clean roadside timetables for Derbyshire County Council, until July 2026.
Odd to see them near Chesterfield though. There is one timetable case near us that is now two timetable changes out of date...
 

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Does anyone know what's going on with TM Travel

Are all buses going into the new Black livery or has it been scrapped

Thought the fleet was getting replaced with newer Euro 6 buses but seems like just more random buses appearing there such as the 2 kinch Versa's and the 3 random Trident E400's (1 duel door ex London, 2 ex Arriva sapphire)

Is there a plan to get all TM buses smartened up and in 1 livery also are they due to get next stop announcements on buses
 

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Does anyone know what's going on with TM Travel

Are all buses going into the new Black livery or has it been scrapped

Thought the fleet was getting replaced with newer Euro 6 buses but seems like just more random buses appearing there such as the 2 kinch Versa's and the 3 random Trident E400's (1 duel door ex London, 2 ex Arriva sapphire)

Is there a plan to get all TM buses smartened up and in 1 livery also are they due to get next stop announcements on buses
I wouldn't put any bets on any newer buses or a standard livery. They don't get anywhere near the treatment other Wellglade subsidiaries are lucky to receive
 

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Does anyone know what's going on with TM Travel

Are all buses going into the new Black livery or has it been scrapped

Thought the fleet was getting replaced with newer Euro 6 buses but seems like just more random buses appearing there such as the 2 kinch Versa's and the 3 random Trident E400's (1 duel door ex London, 2 ex Arriva sapphire)

Is there a plan to get all TM buses smartened up and in 1 livery also are they due to get next stop announcements on buses
I doubt there'll be any major changes with franchising on the way.
 

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Is there a plan to get all TM buses smartened up and in 1 livery
TM and nottsderby (although the latter recently have seemed good at repaints with most the fleet being done in last few years) are low cost operations usually running contracted routes (eg council subsidised, rail replacements ect) so I wouldn't imagine bus repaints would be a top priority and are just done when they can and if it's deemed Important or something they can waste money on/got the money for.
Are all buses going into the new Black livery or has it been scrapped
In regards to the black livery, don't quote me on this as I could be wrong however as I understand and think it's been mentioned somewhere on the forum before mabey in the old nottsderby or trentbarton threads, that the black greener bus livery was not signed off by the Transport manager who doesn't like the livery and head office went behind his back in repainting buses to allow notts derby and TM to be loaned to eachother when necessary. After the repaints was done I think the Transport manager put a stop to it and they went back to repainting the odd notts derby e400 that was still In Lothian (which not all have been done) to notts derby blue and green.

Also the ex e400 from arriva was recently repainted to the red similar or the same colour as the ex London solos so don't think anymore will go into that black livery
Thought the fleet was getting replaced with newer Euro 6 buses but seems like just more random buses appearing there such as the 2 kinch Versa's and the 3 random Trident E400's (1 duel door ex London, 2 ex Arriva sapphire)
Don't think there ever going buy brand new as its a low cost operation and I haven't checked the 3 Trident E400s, however I think those kinch versas are complient anyway so if trent/kinch have buses (complient with sheffield) they don't need there always going to go to then 1st before looking elsewhere for euro 6 spending more money when they dont have to. It's only 467,472/3/4,810, and mabey a few other odd buses mabey the OmniDekka which are not complient. Most are complient now and when kinch get the electrics, 502/4,830 may go over to TM anyway as there complient and replace some solos meaning there's only going to be the odd few left not complient.
Also are they due to get next stop announcements on buses
As I understand any bus after October 2014 should be complient with some regulation now stating it should have next stop announcements. Any bus before October 2014 currently have till October next year I think it is to comply so within the next year they should be starting to retrofit, however if it's gets done or not is a different question. Wouldn't imagine they would till they actually need to start putting them in tho as its just another cost but I'm sure in the background there be some work or plans for the introduction of it for next year.
Not sure what happened with the ex arriva E400 ,it seems to have disappeared
Think that was the one which wasn't in a great condition. Probably has gone out service as its not complient to be in service or its being/waiting on being serviced.
 

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I doubt there'll be any major changes with franchising on the way.
From what I've read, the TM depot isn't going to be purchased by SYMCA. Does this mean their services will be transferred to other depots, or are they planning to allow SMEs to run their own depots within the franchising area?
 

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Does anyone know what's going on with TM Travel

Are all buses going into the new Black livery or has it been scrapped

Thought the fleet was getting replaced with newer Euro 6 buses but seems like just more random buses appearing there such as the 2 kinch Versa's and the 3 random Trident E400's (1 duel door ex London, 2 ex Arriva sapphire)

Is there a plan to get all TM buses smartened up and in 1 livery also are they due to get next stop announcements on buses
I didn't know there were three. Just the one that became 1400, which seemed less than reliable. Yes, I can't see any other Notts and Derby bus going into the black livery. Two ex Lothians have been painted green and blue. 1401/1406 moved to TM Travel just leaving 1402 in Derby in the old Lothian livery. TM Travel did continue to paint their ex Lothians into the black livery. As others have said, compliant buses may well transfer from Kinchbus in the months ahead.
 

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If bustimes is to be believed, Harlequin Solo 494 is out on the V3 today. If they're willing to cross brands, then why not more often?
 

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If bustimes is to be believed, Harlequin Solo 494 is out on the V3 today. If they're willing to cross brands, then why not more often?
Ah well, then you go down the line of painting all the buses in a single livery, to give more flexibility. People might see a branded bus on a different route. Would they think " that solves a problem" or "ran out of buses"?
 

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From what I've read, the TM depot isn't going to be purchased by SYMCA. Does this mean their services will be transferred to other depots, or are they planning to allow SMEs to run their own depots within the franchising area?
If they are going like Manchester then the large batch area tenders are tied to a depot owned and supplied the by authority but the smaller batch tenders aimed at SMEs are open and so can be operated by a depot owned by the operator (so for instance Diamonds own their depot at Eccles and run much of the small tender batches from there). In the past it also had the issue that TM ran a number of Derbyshire routes out of it which would have been an issue to deal with (SYMCA would not really have wanted the bad PR of taking over a depot that resulted in bus services in Derbyshire being cut), that is less of an issue at the moment as apart from the cross boundary 218 & the Flixbus work most of it seems South Yorkshire centered at the moment.
 

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If they are going like Manchester then the large batch area tenders are tied to a depot owned and supplied the by authority but the smaller batch tenders aimed at SMEs are open and so can be operated by a depot owned by the operator (so for instance Diamonds own their depot at Eccles and run much of the small tender batches from there). In the past it also had the issue that TM ran a number of Derbyshire routes out of it which would have been an issue to deal with (SYMCA would not really have wanted the bad PR of taking over a depot that resulted in bus services in Derbyshire being cut), that is less of an issue at the moment as apart from the cross boundary 218 & the Flixbus work most of it seems South Yorkshire centered at the moment.
Diversification is the name of the game. Hence Flixbus, which might make more profit than service work.
 
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If bustimes is to be believed, Harlequin Solo 494 is out on the V3 today. If they're willing to cross brands, then why not more often?
Harlequin Solos are used if absolutely needed on Sundays or evenings as the V3 covers the Harlequin at these times. It’s not considered ideal but a better option than sending out a different branded bus or no bus at all.
 

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I wonder if former Kinchbus 502 will replace it?
Speaking of Kinchbus it looks like the yutongs may be in the paint shop so when they arrive in January Trent will be getting back 714 715 716 740 and 175

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When are the the 20 plate enviros entering service on the 2 I seen a spoiler on another post they look all branded up at Langley depot
 

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Speaking of Kinchbus it looks like the yutongs may be in the paint shop so when they arrive in January Trent will be getting back 714 715 716 740 and 175

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When are the the 20 plate enviros entering service on the 2 I seen a spoiler on another post they look all branded up at Langley depot
Kinch also seem to have gained 735 at the minute as well
 

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Speaking of Kinchbus it looks like the yutongs may be in the paint shop so when they arrive in January Trent will be getting back 714 715 716 740 and 175

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When are the the 20 plate enviros entering service on the 2 I seen a spoiler on another post they look all branded up at Langley depot
Yutongs in the paint shop? I thought they arrived at Pelican already painted
 

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Yutongs in the paint shop? I thought they arrived at Pelican already painted
Probably not paint per se but they will need branding & vinyls applied and they probably prefer to do that in house than send staff up to Castleford to do it at Pelican as some operators might do if they employ 3rd parties to apply these sort of things generally anyway.
 

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