Week ticket from East Croydon - Guildford

[GodAtum]

I cant seem to find the price for this ticket. The national Rail and SWT websites only give the option of via Redhill not Clapham Junction :-?

 

[radamfi]

The Southern website gives routes via Redhill (£65.60) and 'Not CJ' (£55.60). There is no route via Clapham Junction, and there wasn't in the last Avantix.

You could try getting a season to somewhere else and travel through Guildford. Croydon to Godalming (£70.10) has a 'Not London' season ticket so that is one option.

 

[GodAtum]

But i always go via clapham Junction when going to guildford because i can buy a single ticket there

 

[barrykas]

Looking at The Manual, to get a season for travel via Clapham Junction you have to buy a Travelcard.

Guildford - London Zones 2-6 route Clandon/Woking is priced at £79.50 a week.

HTH,

Barry

 

[John @ home]

Looking at The Manual, to get a season for travel via Clapham Junction you have to buy a Travelcard.

Guildford - London Zones 2-6 route Clandon/Woking is priced at £79.50 a week.

I don't agree. A Standard Clapham Junction - Guildford route Not London 7-day season is £63.00. The Routeing Guide shows that it is valid via Woking (map PD), Oxshott (PD), Motspur Park (PD+SC), St Helier (PD+SC), Mitcham Jn (PD+SC) or Croydon (PD+SC). It can therefore be used as a Guildford - Croydon season ticket.

 

[GodAtum]

I don't agree. A Standard Clapham Junction - Guildford route Not London 7-day season is £63.00. The Routeing Guide shows that it is valid via Woking (map PD), Oxshott (PD), Motspur Park (PD+SC), St Helier (PD+SC), Mitcham Jn (PD+SC) or Croydon (PD+SC). It can therefore be used as a Guildford - Croydon season ticket.

So if I buy a Clapham Junction - Guildford route Not London I can use it from East Croydon?

 

[paul1609]

I don't agree. A Standard Clapham Junction - Guildford route Not London 7-day season is £63.00. The Routeing Guide shows that it is valid via Woking (map PD), Oxshott (PD), Motspur Park (PD+SC), St Helier (PD+SC), Mitcham Jn (PD+SC) or Croydon (PD+SC). It can therefore be used as a Guildford - Croydon season ticket.

I think that the problem with that may be that the obvious fast route from Croydon to Guildford via Clapham Junction is fast train from East Croydon to Clapham Junction however map SC seems to only allow travel via Streatham which would exclude direct services on The Brighton Main Line. If you are restricting yourself to slow services via Streatham from West Croydon it would probably be quicker to travel via Epsom. Obviously the Guildford Travelcard Barrykas suggests is valid on the Fast East Croydon to Clapham Junction trains

 

[MikeWh]

I think that the problem with that may be that the obvious fast route from Croydon to Guildford via Clapham Junction is fast train from East Croydon to Clapham Junction however map SC seems to only allow travel via Streatham which would exclude direct services on The Brighton Main Line. If you are restricting yourself to slow services via Streatham from West Croydon it would probably be quicker to travel via Epsom. Obviously the Guildford Travelcard Barrykas suggests is valid on the Fast East Croydon to Clapham Junction trains

Streatham is a square, like Croydon, which means it indicates a group. Streatham group includes Streatham Common, Norbury, Thornton Heath and Selhurst which are all on the Brighton main line so you would be ok.

 

[paul1609]

Streatham is a square, like Croydon, which means it indicates a group. Streatham group includes Streatham Common, Norbury, Thornton Heath and Selhurst which are all on the Brighton main line so you would be ok.

Cool but I cant see that ticket working the barriers at East Croydon!

 

[John @ home]

I cant see that ticket working the barriers at East Croydon!

It may or may not. That doesn't affect its validity. Maps PD+SC show that Croydon Group is on a permitted route for a Clapham Jn - Guildford route Not London ticket. That allows travel to, from or via any of the three members of the Group: East Croydon, South Croydon or West Croydon.

So if I buy a Clapham Junction - Guildford route Not London I can use it from East Croydon?

Yes.

 

[paul1609]

It may or may not. That doesn't affect its validity. Maps PD+SC show that Croydon Group is on a permitted route for a Clapham Jn - Guildford route Not London ticket. That allows travel to, from or via any of the three members of the Group: East Croydon, South Croydon or West Croydon.

Does that include break of journey at stations that whilst group members arent intermediate on a through route?

 

[GodAtum]

It may or may not. That doesn't affect its validity. Maps PD+SC show that Croydon Group is on a permitted route for a Clapham Jn - Guildford route Not London ticket. That allows travel to, from or via any of the three members of the Group: East Croydon, South Croydon or West Croydon.

Yes.

So what do i say to the barrier staff at east Croydon if the Clapham Junction - Guildford route Not London ticket does not work?

 

[Paul Kelly]

Does that include break of journey at stations that whilst group members arent intermediate on a through route?

I would say yes, because doubling back is allowed between stations in a group:

Some stations are grouped together to improve interchange between trains
by offering customers access to a wider choice of train services and station
facilities. A customer may travel via any station in such a group, including
doubling back, provided that the group is on one of the permitted routes
between their origin and destination stations. This extended availability is for
interchange purposes only and does not apply where the origin or destination
stations are part of a group.

 

[paul1609]

The reason I ask is that I have been told by a SWT RPI that this extended availability only applies to interchange not for break of journey. This involved journeys from Westcoastway stations to Portsmouth Harbour changing at Cosham. Cosham is a valid interchange point but has a higher fare than portsmouth from coastway stations.

 

[globetrotter]

It's possible to buy a season ticket Guildford - East Croydon for £61.20:

"Travel must involve passing through or changing at Surbiton"


There are routes not offered in the opposite direction.

 

[John @ home]

Does that include break of journey at stations that whilst group members arent intermediate on a through route?

Yes.

The reason I ask is that I have been told by a SWT RPI that this extended availability only applies to interchange not for break of journey.

It is permitted to travel from Guildford to West Croydon, walk to East Croydon, then travel from East Croydon to Clapham Jn. The passenger is then interchanging between these two Croydon stations, not breaking their journey.

C. USE OF TICKETS

16. Starting, breaking or ending a journey at intermediate stations

For the purposes of this Condition and Condition 11, you will be treated as breaking your
journey if you leave a Train Company’s or Rail Service Company’s stations after you start
your journey other than:
(i) to join a train at another station, or
(ii) to stay in overnight accommodation when you cannot reasonably
complete your journey within one day, or
(iii) to follow any instructions given by a member of a Train Company’s staff.

A season ticket allows the passenger to undertake any sub-set of this valid journey.

 

[GodAtum]

Thanks for all your advice, luckily I dont need a season ticket as the company is putting me up in a hotel

I might be taking the 0731 from East Croydon and then the 0752 from Clapham Junc - Guildford on a weekday morning with a medium size suitcase. I know from East Croydon it will be packed so I dont want to upset all the commuters by bringing luggage on. I might have to find another way to Clapham junc.

 

[transportphoto]

...commuters by bringing luggage on. I might have to find another way to Clapham junc.

Not to good on this but tram to Wimbledon then SWT from there?

 

[GodAtum]

Thats one possibility, but the train from Wimbledon is quite slow. Do you think I would annoy commuters by bringing luggage on?

 

[MikeWh]

Thats one possibility, but the train from Wimbledon is quite slow. Do you think I would annoy commuters by bringing luggage on?

I sense different pages of the hymn book here. The actual question was an alternative way of getting to Clapham Junction and trains from Wimbledon to Clapham Junction either call at Earlsfield or they don't. Of course the train you're getting from Clapham Junction to Guildford goes through Wimbledon, so you're thinking about going direct from there. Yes, most trains will be quite slow, but it's the wrong way for the rush hour so they won't be that busy. The tram may well be though and probably has less options for a suitcase than the train. Whatever way you go through South London at that time of day you're going to encounter crowds.