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The WCML seems to be open this morning according to RTT.
The first (0531) Euston-Glasgow (1S37) has passed Stafford on time.
There's also a 5R00 0451 Wolverhampton-Euston ECS which did the journey in 94 minutes (via Bescot).
 
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Their customer communication channels are blaming ‘a shortage of traincrew’ for today’s alterations, whereas surely the reason should go back to the root cause: ‘severe weather yesterday’ would fit the bill.
Also no passenger advice for those travelling from Inverness..?
Lots of train managers who would work those services are over there hours and unable to commence there shift this morning.

As for Inverness, unsure why they didn't include on there tweet, but advice for customers is :-

Rail replacement transport:

1 x D & E coach will depart Inverness at 07:55 and run direct to Edinburgh.

1 x D & E coach will depart Inverness at 07:55 and call at all stations to Edinburgh.

1 x Hairy Haggis coach will depart Inverness at 08:25 and run direct to Edinburgh.


Ticket acceptance:

Customers may travel on ScotRail service 1T98 08:45 Inverness to Glasgow Queen Street.
 

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Lots of train managers who would work those services are over there hours and unable to commence there shift this morning.

As for Inverness, unsure why they didn't include on there tweet, but advice for customers is :-

Rail replacement transport:

1 x D & E coach will depart Inverness at 07:55 and run direct to Edinburgh.

1 x D & E coach will depart Inverness at 07:55 and call at all stations to Edinburgh.

1 x Hairy Haggis coach will depart Inverness at 08:25 and run direct to Edinburgh.


Ticket acceptance:

Customers may travel on ScotRail service 1T98 08:45 Inverness to Glasgow Queen Street.
Think I’d just wait for the 08:45 Glasgow or go via Aberdeen. To be fair I would be tempted to ride the 08:25 bus just for the operators name if I didn’t have to stay on the darn thing for hours on end.
 

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Yesterday I had 2 Cross Country trains (Guildford to Reading and Reading to Southampton (both via Guildford due to SWML closure)) both cancelled as trees had fallen on the North Downs, plus there were various other issues across the Portsmouth line. This led to everyone having to get on the replacement buses originally intended for just passengers for Basingstoke and Winchester, so there were queues of hundreds of people at Bstoke as all trains had also been cancelled. I even saw that a 444 from Portsmouth Harbour to London was delayed for 3hr 27m before finally departing. Dozens of routes were closed along the South and South West because of flooding or fallen trees.

So in summary, a very, very bad day for railway travel. Here is a photo of the departure boards at Basingstoke advising people not to travel.
 

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Think I’d just wait for the 08:45 Glasgow or go via Aberdeen. To be fair I would be tempted to ride the 08:25 bus just for the operators name if I didn’t have to stay on the darn thing for hours on end.
The coach to be fair, if direct to Edinburgh, wont take much longer than the train, if any longer at all, and if decent one, need not be too un bearable, the name Hairy Haggis, would tempt me ride it too.
 

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Absolutely shocking failure of management by Avanti this week. Unbelievable lack of contingency planning when playing such a vital role in one of the most important international conferences this country has ever held. The serious apathy that has creeped in to service provision around major events needs to stop. When you have a big event to cater for, you have lots of contingency planning. If you can’t do your job, step aside please. What were the contingency plans this week exactly and why were they not implemented?

Avanti cancelled loads of trains at the end of last week, cutting Glasgow off. I cycled through that area and across the West Coast Main Line with a group of 150 riders some of whom did the whole thing from London. I joined from Preston. Lots and lots of trains cancelled but some ran… so I assume the line was clear. Result - absolute chaos for passengers. So, question number 1. Was the WCML down Wednesday to Friday or did Avanti cancel loads of trains without just cause, cutting Western Scotland off just before COP26.

We get Autumn rain every year. We managed to get 150 riders from Preston to Glasgow through the weather perfectly easily. Yes it was heavy for a few periods but it was in no way one of the severe weather events you might link to climate change. It was Autumn. The area that did get it a bit harder was over in Dumfries but that was very localised. Even then, the locals in Dumfries told us it really wasn’t exceptional and they get that twice a year every year. I cycled over Shap at the same time the line was closed to passengers on Thursday and there were freight trains happily using the line. Why were so so many passenger trains cancelled?

Then we have yesterday. Some trees came down in Autumn. That happens every single year and so the chances of it happening on the 31st October are high. Further confirmed by a weather forecast. Avanti knew it’s job yesterday was to get lots of guests that we invited to this country to Glasgow. How on earth did it get to a point where it’s response was to shrug its shoulders, provide a shocking lack of information and treat passengers with uttter contempt. Other routes and lines were open. Whilst I would not expect every train company to fire up diversionary routes and alternative transport and massive customer serve teams on the ground quickly on every single day of the year, I absolutely would expect Avanti to be ready to do that yesterday.

Avanti left thousands of people stranded yesterday along its whole route. A hotel room is Glasgow was already averaging £500 minimum last night before the disruption hit. They literally left thousands of guests to our country and thousands of regular passengers with no information and no plan. From our small group we have about 20 stories of shocking unprofessional and unplanned nonsense involving Avanti over the last week. A group travelling to Southampton from Glasgow last night were turfed off at Preston late into the night and told, sorry - make your own way from here. Who does that? When I had a parallel situation in Germany DB offered every single passenger accommodation and booked them on to a new train the next morning. You don’t throw passengers off a train late at night without looking after them on a very basic level.

If the current management of Avanti is not able to plan for anything other than perfect conditions, it needs to step aside so that some proper railway professionals who also give a toss about passengers and at another level just their fellow humans, can take their place. I use trains every day, to get everywhere and have seen it all. The railway is full of good and bad. Yesterday and the latter part of last week was an absolute disgrace.

I also assume moral is low at Avanti for staff to have become so rude. There are always rude staff on the railways, but more often really nice and helpful people. The attitude and manner of staff at Euston station this week has become legendary. A visitor from Austria told me they have simply never been spoken to in such a rude way when asking a few simple questions and asked if this is ‘normal communication style’ in the UK. I had to interrupt a 10 minute conversation between two staff members who did not seem remotely interested in the pile of people trying to work out what they should do. When somebody finally managed to ask if there was a problem with trains going north of Preston, they were told ‘apparently but you will need to ask somebody’ and then back to their conversation. They were the gate line staff for a Glasgow train than has just been curtailed to Preston!!!!

I really hoped we might be able to be proud of our railways this weekend. The weather meant that some disruption was inevitable, but the version of disruption dished out by Avanti this week has been absolutely embarrassing and I hope the management of Avanti and those on the ground who didn’t know what they were doing or how to do it are embarrassed.
 

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The coach to be fair, if direct to Edinburgh, wont take much longer than the train, if any longer at all, and if decent one, need not be too un bearable, the name Hairy Haggis, would tempt me ride it too.
Would still be too long for me on a coach so best avoided. Just such a great name.
 

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The weather conditions which caused this disruption were quite extreme, A 'hook' formed close to the centre of the depression moving across the country yesterday. This in turn allowed strong high level winds to decend to ground level over a fairly narrow swaith of the Midlands, a 'Sting Jet'. These were mainly straight line winds, there were some reports of tornados (No not the locomotive...), but judging by reports posted on the meteorological website I belong to most of the video footage points to straight line winds. I am not sure what the highest gust was in the affected area, but the worst hit area seemed to be a narrow band running roughly NE from the Oxford area through Nortthampton, Kettering and across the ECML between Peterborough and Grantham. In this area the strongest winds lasted only a few minutes, typically 5 minutes.

Because the strongest gusts were in a narrow band maybe a few miles wide the reported gust wind speed from weather stations reporting to the Met Office will be lower than what actually occured unless the band of strongest winds passed over a weather station that reports to them. Judging by videos posted I would suggest 70+ mph gusts were experienced in this band and that is unusual away from coasts and will cause significant damage.

Edit, just done a bit of digging, and Wittering nr Peterborough recorded a 69mph gust around 11am yesterday, I suspect higher speed gusts were experienced in places, I would say possibly upto 80mph. This puts it close to 1987 storm, but affecting a smaller area and shorter time of maximum wind speeds
 
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The weather conditions which caused this disruption were quite extreme, A 'hook' formed close to the centre of the depression moving across the country yesterday. This in turn allowed strong high level winds to decend to ground level over a fairly narrow swaith of the Midlands, a 'Sting Jet'. These were mainly straight line winds, there were some reports of tornados (No not the locomotive...), but judging by reports posted on the meteorological website I belong to most of the video footage points to straight line winds. I am not sure what the highest gust was in the affected area, but the worst hit area seemed to be a narrow band running roughly NE from the Oxford area through Nortthampton, Kettering and across the ECML between Peterborough and Grantham. In this area the strongest winds lasted only a few minutes, typically 5 minutes.

Because the strongest gusts were in a narrow band maybe a few miles wide the reported gust wind speed from weather stations reporting to the Met Office will be lower than what actually occured unless the band of strongest winds passed over a weather station that reports to them. Judging by videos posted I would suggest 70+ mph gusts were experienced in this band and that is unusual away from coasts and will cause significant damage.

I live near Oxford and we did indeed have a few minutes of extreme wind, my very heavy and secured garden furniture ended up all over the garden and my fence blew down. Across my village we have multiple trees, fences and a telegraph pole down and various trampolines and garden items in nearby fields ! Definitely unusual weather here vs a usual winter type storm
 

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We get Autumn rain every year. We managed to get 150 riders from Preston to Glasgow through the weather perfectly easily. Yes it was heavy for a few periods but it was in no way one of the severe weather events you might link to climate change. It was Autumn. The area that did get it a bit harder was over in Dumfries but that was very localised. Even then, the locals in Dumfries told us it really wasn’t exceptional and they get that twice a year every year.

Not exceptional ? Last week two footbridges over the River Annan were washed away, people were evacuated from premises in Dumfries, and a major incident declared in Hawick, among other things. There was also flooding at multiple locations on the WCML itself. Therefore speed restrictions were imposed and although services were reduced, trains still ran, safely.

Some trees came down in Autumn.

It might be worth watching the BBC News this morning to understand the scale of the weather events which affected the WCML - Tornados in Northamptonshire, bringing down hundreds of trees, blocking roads and leaving areas without power, as well as affecting the railway.

Whilst I would not expect every train company to fire up diversionary routes and alternative transport and massive customer serve teams on the ground quickly on every single day of the year, I absolutely would expect Avanti to be ready to do that yesterday.

There are Contingency Plans in place to deal with disruption, but there are limits to what any Train Operator can do when their primary route is blocked and numerous trains trapped. Perhaps you could clarify what level of resources (eg trains with route clearance, Traincrew with route knowledge, massive customer service teams on the ground etc) you believe could have realistically catered for such disruption, and where these resources would come from ?
 

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Avanti cancelled loads of trains at the end of last week, cutting Glasgow off.
Wasnt just Avanti, TPE were also unable to run between Carlisle and glasgow/Edinburgh. The line was closed, this was not Avanti or TPEs decision, so TPE ran additional trains between edinburgh and newcastle to connect with existing services south of Newcastle towards Manchester and liverpool and ticket acceptance was in place with Scotrail, LNER, XC, Northern and even Lumo to connect with the very frequent service between Edinburgh and Glasgow so I dont see how glasgow was cut off when there was a very well advertised alternative route available

As for yesterday, well the WCML was blocked shafting services out of Euston, The ECML was blocked at Peterborough shafting services out of Kings Cross, the chiltern main line out of Marylebone was also blocked and trains were trapped unable to move on all 3 routes. Thats 3 main travel corridors north out of London. Remember many of these trains have crew on board who would have a scheduled back working to return them to their home depot, and home at the end of their shift so those trains would also be affected, then the news comes through regarding the collision at Salisbury which the weather may also have played a part in. That is how serious things were.

Im with @Falcon1200 theres only so much contingency possible but even that can be overwhelmed. Perhaps @modernrail you can enighten us with your contingency proposals and explain 1. where these resources are going to ome from and 2. how to pay for it? I am assuming given that you are using the title of a railway publication as your forum name that you have some sort of industry knowledge behind you?...
 
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It might be worth watching the BBC News this morning to understand the scale of the weather events which affected the WCML - Tornados in Northamptonshire, bringing down hundreds of trees, blocking roads and leaving areas without power, as well as affecting the railway.
Yes i was out on the roads yesterday, at times it was pretty tasty. What was interesting was how quickly it changed. Literally from fairly benign to full on storm in a minute and then out again. Debris everywhere, and this was nowhere near the worst affected areas.
 

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Like DarloRich, I was also trying to travel from Leeds to Milton Keynes on 31/10, I made it as far as Manchester and then decided to spend the night there, catching the first train this morning. Just as well we did as the 15:15 MAN-EUS which was sat at the adjacent platform departed 40 mins late and was 163 down when it arrived into Milton Keynes. It had been full and standing when it left Manchester Picadilly, 3.5 hours travelling in a sardine can avoided :)
 

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That's only one theory.

Others have differing theories. For example the fact that an ever expanding population inhabits areas that previously were uninhabited, or that greater global connectivity allows us to hear about events we would never have done prior to the Internet, or that building housing estates on green pastures causes massive issues somewhere else during heavy rainfall events where previously the ground could have soaked up much of the rainfall, or that the proliferation of buildings causes much higher resultant wind speeds in proximity to them, etc etc.

Easier to blame it all on climate change though.

Anyway, apologies for the O/T.

I’m closing in on a decade of full time studying and researching climate, weather, and water. I’m not saying that this rain was directly caused by anthropogenic climate change. However it’s severity and that this is the second severe storm in the last week or so are both increased in likelihood by climate change.
 

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Yesterday I had 2 Cross Country trains (Guildford to Reading and Reading to Southampton (both via Guildford due to SWML closure)) both cancelled as trees had fallen on the North Downs, plus there were various other issues across the Portsmouth line. This led to everyone having to get on the replacement buses originally intended for just passengers for Basingstoke and Winchester, so there were queues of hundreds of people at Bstoke as all trains had also been cancelled. I even saw that a 444 from Portsmouth Harbour to London was delayed for 3hr 27m before finally departing. Dozens of routes were closed along the South and South West because of flooding or fallen trees.

So in summary, a very, very bad day for railway travel. Here is a photo of the departure boards at Basingstoke advising people not to travel.
It was a bit of a 'mare. I was at Waterloo sitting in the busy 20:05 to Basingstoke, as the clock ticked on to 20:30 we were informed it was waiting for a guard. Then someone noticed that the 20:35 to Basingstoke appeared to be about to leave on time, so some few of us took the gamble of racing to catch that. That was an 8-car train, mostly empty, that left on time, and I believe the 20:05 was cancelled, still with loads of people on board. So not great communication!
 

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As you can see in the map below, there was a thin but intense line of heavy rain and very strong winds. Stretching from the SW to the NE.

The areas with the highest reports of winds corresponds with all the areas affected yesterday.

Conditions changed very quickly, so it was probably unexpected for a lot of people.

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As you can see in the map below, there was a thin but intense line of heavy rain and very strong winds. Stretching from the SW to the NE.

The areas with the highest reports of winds corresponds with all the areas affected yesterday.

Conditions changed very quickly, so it was probably unexpected for a lot of people.

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From about 5 till 10 last night it was ridiculously windy in Newark, am amazed not more damage on ECML around there
 

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Climate change makes severe storms and rainfall more frequent and severe (apologies for using severe twice!). He’s not wrong…
this is a normalish weather event. long period of wet weather making the ground saturated. the leaves are still on the trees because of a mild october* - not unusual. then its windy and trees blow over - like they do. bit of a deep depression over the midlands yesterday which explains the winds.

*Trees blow over more easily when in leaf. trees shed leaves when they cant supply enough water to the leaves or because its cold.
 

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And I thought Friday night's closure of the Severn Tunnel due to flooding cause enough chaos!!
 

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There is a certain horrible irony with COP26 starting today and now a do not travel message from Euston.
LOL… They should have flown, or better yet if they’re really concerned about the impact of travel stayed at home and done the whole thing on Zoom
 

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Think I’d just wait for the 08:45 Glasgow or go via Aberdeen. To be fair I would be tempted to ride the 08:25 bus just for the operators name if I didn’t have to stay on the darn thing for hours on end.
A non stop coach is likely to be up to 30 mins quicker than the rail schedule in my experience
 

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Absolutely shocking failure of management by Avanti this week. Unbelievable lack of contingency planning when playing such a vital role in one of the most important international conferences this country has ever held. The serious apathy that has creeped in to service provision around major events needs to stop. When you have a big event to cater for, you have lots of contingency planning. If you can’t do your job, step aside please. What were the contingency plans this week exactly and why were they not implemented?

Avanti cancelled loads of trains at the end of last week, cutting Glasgow off. I cycled through that area and across the West Coast Main Line with a group of 150 riders some of whom did the whole thing from London. I joined from Preston. Lots and lots of trains cancelled but some ran… so I assume the line was clear. Result - absolute chaos for passengers. So, question number 1. Was the WCML down Wednesday to Friday or did Avanti cancel loads of trains without just cause, cutting Western Scotland off just before COP26.

We get Autumn rain every year. We managed to get 150 riders from Preston to Glasgow through the weather perfectly easily. Yes it was heavy for a few periods but it was in no way one of the severe weather events you might link to climate change. It was Autumn. The area that did get it a bit harder was over in Dumfries but that was very localised. Even then, the locals in Dumfries told us it really wasn’t exceptional and they get that twice a year every year. I cycled over Shap at the same time the line was closed to passengers on Thursday and there were freight trains happily using the line. Why were so so many passenger trains cancelled?

Then we have yesterday. Some trees came down in Autumn. That happens every single year and so the chances of it happening on the 31st October are high. Further confirmed by a weather forecast. Avanti knew it’s job yesterday was to get lots of guests that we invited to this country to Glasgow. How on earth did it get to a point where it’s response was to shrug its shoulders, provide a shocking lack of information and treat passengers with uttter contempt. Other routes and lines were open. Whilst I would not expect every train company to fire up diversionary routes and alternative transport and massive customer serve teams on the ground quickly on every single day of the year, I absolutely would expect Avanti to be ready to do that yesterday.

Avanti left thousands of people stranded yesterday along its whole route. A hotel room is Glasgow was already averaging £500 minimum last night before the disruption hit. They literally left thousands of guests to our country and thousands of regular passengers with no information and no plan. From our small group we have about 20 stories of shocking unprofessional and unplanned nonsense involving Avanti over the last week. A group travelling to Southampton from Glasgow last night were turfed off at Preston late into the night and told, sorry - make your own way from here. Who does that? When I had a parallel situation in Germany DB offered every single passenger accommodation and booked them on to a new train the next morning. You don’t throw passengers off a train late at night without looking after them on a very basic level.

If the current management of Avanti is not able to plan for anything other than perfect conditions, it needs to step aside so that some proper railway professionals who also give a toss about passengers and at another level just their fellow humans, can take their place. I use trains every day, to get everywhere and have seen it all. The railway is full of good and bad. Yesterday and the latter part of last week was an absolute disgrace.

I also assume moral is low at Avanti for staff to have become so rude. There are always rude staff on the railways, but more often really nice and helpful people. The attitude and manner of staff at Euston station this week has become legendary. A visitor from Austria told me they have simply never been spoken to in such a rude way when asking a few simple questions and asked if this is ‘normal communication style’ in the UK. I had to interrupt a 10 minute conversation between two staff members who did not seem remotely interested in the pile of people trying to work out what they should do. When somebody finally managed to ask if there was a problem with trains going north of Preston, they were told ‘apparently but you will need to ask somebody’ and then back to their conversation. They were the gate line staff for a Glasgow train than has just been curtailed to Preston!!!!

I really hoped we might be able to be proud of our railways this weekend. The weather meant that some disruption was inevitable, but the version of disruption dished out by Avanti this week has been absolutely embarrassing and I hope the management of Avanti and those on the ground who didn’t know what they were doing or how to do it are embarrassed.

What contingency plan would you like when your primary route is blocked, your diversionary route is blocked, other operators are suffering severe delays & replacement road transport is thin on the ground / non-existent (let alone the impracticality of some of the long distances of the line)?

“Proper railway professionals” - you do realise it’s going to be broadly the same people in operational roles that were at Virgin?

I think everyone can realise it was one of the worst days across the entire railway network for some time, possibly the worst combined day since Covid with very unfortunate timing due to COP26, but hey we can’t control the weather just because there’s an event on.

Otherwise your post comes off as a rather long, ill-informed rant. Obviously circumstances were very difficult and some staff might have been less helpful - although they may have had literally no info to give - but many will have been working flat out to provide some sort of service but eventually once plans A,B & C are exhausted, your options are thin on the ground.
 

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LOL… They should have flown, or better yet if they’re really concerned about the impact of travel stayed at home and done the whole thing on Zoom
A bunch of them did fly, because they decided it was a good idea for them to have a pre-COP meet up in Rome at the weekend.
 

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Absolutely shocking failure of management by Avanti this week. Unbelievable lack of contingency planning when playing such a vital role in one of the most important international conferences this country has ever held. The serious apathy that has creeped in to service provision around major events needs to stop. When you have a big event to cater for, you have lots of contingency planning. If you can’t do your job, step aside please. What were the contingency plans this week exactly and why were they not implemented?

Avanti cancelled loads of trains at the end of last week, cutting Glasgow off. I cycled through that area and across the West Coast Main Line with a group of 150 riders some of whom did the whole thing from London. I joined from Preston. Lots and lots of trains cancelled but some ran… so I assume the line was clear. Result - absolute chaos for passengers. So, question number 1. Was the WCML down Wednesday to Friday or did Avanti cancel loads of trains without just cause, cutting Western Scotland off just before COP26.

We get Autumn rain every year. We managed to get 150 riders from Preston to Glasgow through the weather perfectly easily. Yes it was heavy for a few periods but it was in no way one of the severe weather events you might link to climate change. It was Autumn. The area that did get it a bit harder was over in Dumfries but that was very localised. Even then, the locals in Dumfries told us it really wasn’t exceptional and they get that twice a year every year. I cycled over Shap at the same time the line was closed to passengers on Thursday and there were freight trains happily using the line. Why were so so many passenger trains cancelled?

Then we have yesterday. Some trees came down in Autumn. That happens every single year and so the chances of it happening on the 31st October are high. Further confirmed by a weather forecast. Avanti knew it’s job yesterday was to get lots of guests that we invited to this country to Glasgow. How on earth did it get to a point where it’s response was to shrug its shoulders, provide a shocking lack of information and treat passengers with uttter contempt. Other routes and lines were open. Whilst I would not expect every train company to fire up diversionary routes and alternative transport and massive customer serve teams on the ground quickly on every single day of the year, I absolutely would expect Avanti to be ready to do that yesterday.

Avanti left thousands of people stranded yesterday along its whole route. A hotel room is Glasgow was already averaging £500 minimum last night before the disruption hit. They literally left thousands of guests to our country and thousands of regular passengers with no information and no plan. From our small group we have about 20 stories of shocking unprofessional and unplanned nonsense involving Avanti over the last week. A group travelling to Southampton from Glasgow last night were turfed off at Preston late into the night and told, sorry - make your own way from here. Who does that? When I had a parallel situation in Germany DB offered every single passenger accommodation and booked them on to a new train the next morning. You don’t throw passengers off a train late at night without looking after them on a very basic level.

If the current management of Avanti is not able to plan for anything other than perfect conditions, it needs to step aside so that some proper railway professionals who also give a toss about passengers and at another level just their fellow humans, can take their place. I use trains every day, to get everywhere and have seen it all. The railway is full of good and bad. Yesterday and the latter part of last week was an absolute disgrace.

I also assume moral is low at Avanti for staff to have become so rude. There are always rude staff on the railways, but more often really nice and helpful people. The attitude and manner of staff at Euston station this week has become legendary. A visitor from Austria told me they have simply never been spoken to in such a rude way when asking a few simple questions and asked if this is ‘normal communication style’ in the UK. I had to interrupt a 10 minute conversation between two staff members who did not seem remotely interested in the pile of people trying to work out what they should do. When somebody finally managed to ask if there was a problem with trains going north of Preston, they were told ‘apparently but you will need to ask somebody’ and then back to their conversation. They were the gate line staff for a Glasgow train than has just been curtailed to Preston!!!!

I really hoped we might be able to be proud of our railways this weekend. The weather meant that some disruption was inevitable, but the version of disruption dished out by Avanti this week has been absolutely embarrassing and I hope the management of Avanti and those on the ground who didn’t know what they were doing or how to do it are embarrassed.
Any chance that you can list what these contingency plans should have been,
 

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Just a word concerning Avanti, my 1245 ex Piccadilly was cancelled and they couldn't have been more helpful finding me a reserved seat on the 1315. Small thing I know but nice to report!
 

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My journey from Lincoln to Norfolk yesterday afternoon went as follows:
1420 from Lincoln arrived 55 late.Made it as far as Newark where it had to wait for crew,making it 81 mins late into Peterboro.Waited 45 mins for the Cross country to Ely which was full and standing,ditto the four car greater Anglia into Norwich owing to East Midlands being missing in action and all the other events.
A challenging day for all,but the toc's did the best they could.
 

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Absolutely shocking failure of management by Avanti this week. Unbelievable lack of contingency planning when playing such a vital role in one of the most important international conferences this country has ever held. The serious apathy that has creeped in to service provision around major events needs to stop. When you have a big event to cater for, you have lots of contingency planning. If you can’t do your job, step aside please. What were the contingency plans this week exactly and why were they not implemented?

Avanti cancelled loads of trains at the end of last week, cutting Glasgow off. I cycled through that area and across the West Coast Main Line with a group of 150 riders some of whom did the whole thing from London. I joined from Preston. Lots and lots of trains cancelled but some ran… so I assume the line was clear. Result - absolute chaos for passengers. So, question number 1. Was the WCML down Wednesday to Friday or did Avanti cancel loads of trains without just cause, cutting Western Scotland off just before COP26.

We get Autumn rain every year. We managed to get 150 riders from Preston to Glasgow through the weather perfectly easily. Yes it was heavy for a few periods but it was in no way one of the severe weather events you might link to climate change. It was Autumn. The area that did get it a bit harder was over in Dumfries but that was very localised. Even then, the locals in Dumfries told us it really wasn’t exceptional and they get that twice a year every year. I cycled over Shap at the same time the line was closed to passengers on Thursday and there were freight trains happily using the line. Why were so so many passenger trains cancelled?

Then we have yesterday. Some trees came down in Autumn. That happens every single year and so the chances of it happening on the 31st October are high. Further confirmed by a weather forecast. Avanti knew it’s job yesterday was to get lots of guests that we invited to this country to Glasgow. How on earth did it get to a point where it’s response was to shrug its shoulders, provide a shocking lack of information and treat passengers with uttter contempt. Other routes and lines were open. Whilst I would not expect every train company to fire up diversionary routes and alternative transport and massive customer serve teams on the ground quickly on every single day of the year, I absolutely would expect Avanti to be ready to do that yesterday.

Avanti left thousands of people stranded yesterday along its whole route. A hotel room is Glasgow was already averaging £500 minimum last night before the disruption hit. They literally left thousands of guests to our country and thousands of regular passengers with no information and no plan. From our small group we have about 20 stories of shocking unprofessional and unplanned nonsense involving Avanti over the last week. A group travelling to Southampton from Glasgow last night were turfed off at Preston late into the night and told, sorry - make your own way from here. Who does that? When I had a parallel situation in Germany DB offered every single passenger accommodation and booked them on to a new train the next morning. You don’t throw passengers off a train late at night without looking after them on a very basic level.

If the current management of Avanti is not able to plan for anything other than perfect conditions, it needs to step aside so that some proper railway professionals who also give a toss about passengers and at another level just their fellow humans, can take their place. I use trains every day, to get everywhere and have seen it all. The railway is full of good and bad. Yesterday and the latter part of last week was an absolute disgrace.

I also assume moral is low at Avanti for staff to have become so rude. There are always rude staff on the railways, but more often really nice and helpful people. The attitude and manner of staff at Euston station this week has become legendary. A visitor from Austria told me they have simply never been spoken to in such a rude way when asking a few simple questions and asked if this is ‘normal communication style’ in the UK. I had to interrupt a 10 minute conversation between two staff members who did not seem remotely interested in the pile of people trying to work out what they should do. When somebody finally managed to ask if there was a problem with trains going north of Preston, they were told ‘apparently but you will need to ask somebody’ and then back to their conversation. They were the gate line staff for a Glasgow train than has just been curtailed to Preston!!!!

I really hoped we might be able to be proud of our railways this weekend. The weather meant that some disruption was inevitable, but the version of disruption dished out by Avanti this week has been absolutely embarrassing and I hope the management of Avanti and those on the ground who didn’t know what they were doing or how to do it are embarrassed.

I don't think yesterday was just a "normal Autumn day", and it almost certainly didn't help that the various weather forecasts seem to have underplayed it.

Not in disagreement over Euston though, there does seem to be a long-standing issue there, where elements of Euston station seem to have for some time been giving Blackpool North some competition. What with the also long-standing "coach K" issues, it does point to ER issues within the West Coast franchise, as it's surprising these issues seem to have persisted for the full duration of Virgin's tenure.
 
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