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Hi all

Just an update really as I'd been away for a while busy seeing out my last few months with the old TOC and then starting for Virgin on the west coast. Made some amazing new friends throughout the recruitment process, many of which as you can imagine were from the freight sector. Well what can I say!.... we are having the time of our lives and this is a place I'd recommend to anybody.

One of the reasons I thought I'd put this in the recruitment section of these boards was because upon leaving my last TOC there was about 95% positive support from former colleagues but all the other 5% went on about were how mad I was because of the terms and conditions etc. Well I'm happy to say that you can tell that half of the nay Sayers had obviously took in the first thing anyone had told them and took it as gospel.... most of what they told me was factually incorrect anyway!

My advice to any qualified driver...... or anyone else for that matter umming and arrrring about coming here is get your bags packed! It's so worth it!.......yes it may be a different rest day pattern or it may be a different style of driving but the positives far outweigh the negatives for me..... the perfect job does not exist and it's very much horses for courses I get that but I can only go by what I've seen.

Just turning up to a mess room where everyone seems more than happy to be there (even at 3am) was something I wasn't used to. We were all made to feel so welcome at the training centre and on depot and genuinely no request from us was too much trouble!

Upon starting my training it was so refreshing to see trains that weren't falling to pieces and I wasn't having to dodge tree stumps, holes in the ground and old tubs of grease to physically get to the train when it's stabled at the depot ready for collection. The next thing I noticed was the workload!..... light years improved on what I was used to. Yes still some long old days but the work that was in it I could tell wouldn't leave me feeling like I've been flogged to death at the end of it.

Suppose what I'm trying to say guys is there's a lot of gnashing of teeth, flapping of gums and negative talk in mess rooms when people even think of a move like this...... but seriously make your own mind up and don't be swayed by the negativity of those types. Already I can tell this is where I am meant to be.... the whole positive mindset of everyone here just totally rubs off on you. Even if you are the type who really does struggle to not think of the t&c's just remember they are train driver t&c's..... how bad can they be.... if you've worked in any other industry this will still be as close to paradise in the work place as you'll see.

All that aside driving the traction here is out of this world! It genuinely felt like stepping out of Del Boys 3 wheeler then starting your training with Captain Kirk as your instructor! Truly was night and day!

I also wanted to say thank you to the guys on here who were ever so helpful with advice etc when I was going through the recruitment process and I honestly doubt I'd of made it through it without you.

Genuinely the happiest guy on the planet at the moment guys!..... get yourselves over here.

Cheers ??????
 
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Lovely positive message, glad your having a great time.

Thanks mate.... just thought I'd point out that mess room bravado should never be listened to!..... I've found far more positive accurate information on these boards than any mess room
 

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I can't comment. My advice is follow your own path and look where it has led you. Hopefully one day I'll be a colleague of yours
 

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dont know what depot your at but its a nice thought that such a positive happy person could be driving my service one day.
 

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dont know what depot your at but its a nice thought that such a positive happy person could be driving my service one day.

That's a really nice thing to say my friend thank you!

One thing I'll never do is lose sight of how fortunate I am to have a job like this... it's a job I have great respect for and it's a privilege that someone has seen enough in me to allow me to do it
 

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Go for it my friend. As a passenger and enthusiast who uses the WCML regularly this is the atitude we need.
 

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No thanks red. I like working for a living. <D


Metro4Life™
 

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Last time I saw a virgin roster even a blind man walked past and said no thanks.
Absolute load of rubbish.
Glad you're happy but it certainly didn't look appealing to me whatever the work content was.
 

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What's the pay to full and how long to it? Thanks.

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Great to read such a positive contribution. Glad to hear it's working out well. As for the mess room moaning, ignore it - haters gonna hate!

Out of interest, how long are you given for route learning (quite a bit to learn!). Are you sent out with an instructor for this a la trainee, or left to your own devices (hopefully the former)?
 

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Last time I saw a virgin roster even a blind man walked past and said no thanks.
Absolute load of rubbish.
Glad you're happy but it certainly didn't look appealing to me whatever the work content was.

Each one to their own...... part of that is generally because said blind men probably don't like getting up in the morning. Personally the roster suits me fine as it does many others. Anyway there's plenty of people who aren't visually impaired to take their places.

Also I'm quite an ambitious individual so I'd never let anything like a roster put me off applying for a role I've always wanted ... I'll leave that to other people who are miserable in their jobs but do nothing about it.
 
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Great to read such a positive contribution. Glad to hear it's working out well. As for the mess room moaning, ignore it - haters gonna hate!

Out of interest, how long are you given for route learning (quite a bit to learn!). Are you sent out with an instructor for this a la trainee, or left to your own devices (hopefully the former)?

Hiya mate many thanks.

Not sure what the exact time scale is but it's a good while and rightly so. Nope you're on your own pal. Given your route learning pack and away you go.
 

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Nice one. I’ve heard many good things about working for Virgin. Hope you enjoy your time there mate! :D
 

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Where's your evidence?

Haven't any but doesn't take a brain surgeon to realise that when HS2 opens in 2026 the current virgin operations will alter greatly , might become part of London midland perhaps? Obviously all speculation at this point but one thing to bear in mind if considering working for virgin. Glad ur enjoying your new TOC anyway mate refreshing to hear a none grumbling post!
 

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Haven't any but doesn't take a brain surgeon to realise that when HS2 opens in 2026 the current virgin operations will alter greatly , might become part of London midland perhaps? Obviously all speculation at this point but one thing to bear in mind if considering working for virgin. Glad ur enjoying your new TOC anyway mate refreshing to hear a none grumbling post!

I don't look at things like that mate..... if you worried about the Ifs all the time you'd never do anything.... if I hadn't chucked my trainee driver application I'm on my lunch break all them years ago I may not be in the fortunate position I am now. People are sat out there refusing to apply for driving jobs because of the risk of driver only trains! Lol!...... if it's the job you want and it doesn't mean applying leaves you living on the street eventually I say go for it!

Yeah definitely something to think of mate..... it's important to do research before applying for any job I suppose. Me personally I'm just focus on the things I have an ounce of control of hahahah.

Thank you mate.... much appreciated
 

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Red2005.
'You'll be back, give it 5 years and you'll be back'
'Grass isn't always greener, just look at <insert name here>, he went over and absolutely hated it '.
You get sick of those comments? :lol:
I had exactly the same thing, people moan about their current place but at the same time, when someone tries to leave they get funny about it and try to turn it sour. I feel like it's jealousy a lot of the time as those people lack the confidence to step out of their little comfort zone and take the plunge themselves so they resent the people who are capable of moving on in life.
I can totally relate to this thread! All the best, I hope you carry on enjoying it for many years! :)
 

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Red2005.
'You'll be back, give it 5 years and you'll be back'
'Grass isn't always greener, just look at <insert name here>, he went over and absolutely hated it '.
You get sick of those comments? :lol:
I had exactly the same thing, people moan about their current place but at the same time, when someone tries to leave they get funny about it and try to turn it sour. I feel like it's jealousy a lot of the time as those people lack the confidence to step out of their little comfort zone and take the plunge themselves so they resent the people who are capable of moving on in life.
I can totally relate to this thread! All the best, I hope you carry on enjoying it for many years! :)

Morning mate!

Yeah those comments do seem rather typical of places such as railway mess rooms etc..... I remember a time when colleagues etc were pleased to see people get on in the job. I was very lucky as I came from a depot were the majority were EXTREMELY supportive.

On one hand mate I totally get why people choose not to move as there's never any guarantee of a move being an instant success.... I just choose not to let things like convenience and fear of the unknown be a factor in me applying for something I really wanted.... I'm more open minded than that.

Unfortunately we work in an industry governed to the second in relation of time and that rubs off on people and if they look at another company where there's a chance of us having to start 5 minutes earlier or finish 5 minutes later it's not progressing it's a gateway to hell.... absolute insanity!

Many thanks for the kind words mate
 

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Hello pal, glad to hear it and sounds like you made exactly the right choice. If your happy then what else really matters. I'm happy in my current job but certainly like to keep my options open and if something comes along and I want to go for it then I will
 

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Glad it's worked out well for you.
In the Railfreight side of things, when people mange to get positions at a passenger TOC, the reaction is always positive usually ' you've done the right thing,all the best'.
 

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Each one to their own...... part of that is generally because said blind men probably don't like getting up in the morning. Personally the roster suits me fine as it does many others. Anyway there's plenty of people who aren't visually impaired to take their places.

Also I'm quite an ambitious individual so I'd never let anything like a roster put me off applying for a role I've always wanted ... I'll leave that to other people who are miserable in their jobs but do nothing about it.


No its more to do with working most weekends, having split restdays and rubbish like that.
A 4 day week,No Sundays you can't beat in my opinion.
Wouldn't fancy getting stranded somewhere 2-300 miles away from home because the wires came down.
Why have you always wanted that role?
You're a train driver, it's the same role, people just want to feel special because they wear a virgin uniform.
Be proud of it if you like but don't be a lot of them and look down at the rest because maybe they are actually enjoying it more then you are.
 

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Maybe that suits him fine?
I work a 4 day week Sundays outside but still end up working 2 in 3 Saturdays and flogging your Sunday is a pain but I work mine anyway and then some...

We all know the job (any job) is what you make it.
Unfortunately there is some ridiculous drivers made up hierarchy bull that the "elite" look down their noses at us unit drivers but I don't have time to care or get upset by that. Some of the high speed blokes are a decent bunch just as some of the unit drivers as miserable as...

Swings and roundabouts
 

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No its more to do with working most weekends, having split restdays and rubbish like that.
A 4 day week,No Sundays you can't beat in my opinion.
Wouldn't fancy getting stranded somewhere 2-300 miles away from home because the wires came down.
Why have you always wanted that role?
You're a train driver, it's the same role, people just want to feel special because they wear a virgin uniform.
Be proud of it if you like but don't be a lot of them and look down at the rest because maybe they are actually enjoying it more then you are.

Well let's put it this way I've worked the same rest day patterns and driven the same units you have and I've still made the move and loved every second of it..... another reason why it's purely horses for courses.

Like I say I've worked to the same conditions that you have so I know I shan't be turning my nose up at anybody!.... I've got to this role because it's purely where I wanted to get to and I've worked bloody hard for it..... that's why I feel special about where I've got to. All I've done is try to encourage people to look beyond the stereotypes and make the move if they're ever tempted..... I've not once made out that I'm in anyway elitist..... and for that matter neither have any of the new colleagues I've bumped into.

Who cares where you are stranded? No TOC is gonna leave you there to fend for yourself... they do all in their power to get people, staff included out of the mire... as long as I'm paid for every minute I'm there I don't care where I'm stranded to be honest.

If people enjoy driving units as much as I now enjoy my new job I take my hat off to them and wish them many more years of enjoyment.... I don't waste my time looking down on others or following stereotypes..... that's just time lost that I could be concentrating on enjoying the fact my hard work has paid off!

I leave the stereotyping to others.
 
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Maybe that suits him fine?
I work a 4 day week Sundays outside but still end up working 2 in 3 Saturdays and flogging your Sunday is a pain but I work mine anyway and then some...

We all know the job (any job) is what you make it.
Unfortunately there is some ridiculous drivers made up hierarchy bull that the "elite" look down their noses at us unit drivers but I don't have time to care or get upset by that. Some of the high speed blokes are a decent bunch just as some of the unit drivers as miserable as...

Swings and roundabouts

Amazingly put!..... well said mate.
 
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