VTEC HST door opens at speed

[talltim]

Exactly, if you are inside you do open them from the inside even if you use the handle on the outside!
As a matter of interest why are these doors (and the equivalent on 222s) not general use passenger doors?

 

[jopsuk]

they don't access a seating area. By having them crew-only it means they are kept free of boarding passengers to allow re-stocking quickly at intermediate stations

 

[theageofthetra]

they don't access a seating area. By having them crew-only it means they are kept free of boarding passengers to allow re-stocking quickly at intermediate stations

But is this a regular event?

 

[jopsuk]

Yes, I think VTEC regularly re-stock at York, Newcastle and Edinburgh, as required.

 

[43096]

In normal operation how often would that door be used?

Never in normal operation. The door is for emergency use only.

 

[robbeech]

they don't access a seating area. By having them crew-only it means they are kept free of boarding passengers to allow re-stocking quickly at intermediate stations

But is this a regular event?

Yes, I think VTEC regularly re-stock at York, Newcastle and Edinburgh, as required.

Never in normal operation. The door is for emergency use only.

So there’s some serious contradiction here. Are they used in an emergency (which is what I was led to believe) or do they get used for catering purposes?

 

[jyte]

So there’s some serious contradiction here. Are they used in an emergency (which is what I was led to believe) or do they get used for catering purposes?

If it helps, I've only ever seen GWR restock through a normal passenger friendly door.

 

[LordCreed]

These doors are only ever used in an emergency for both GWR and VTEC. There is no exterior handle, and the interior one is alarmed in GWRs case however not 100% sure on VTEC.

All stock is loaded and unloaded through the doors in the adjacent standard class carriage, and then taken through to the buffet coach.

There is no normal situation for these doors to be used except during maintenance.

 

[darloscott]

Are they not included in a daily check before the set leaves the depot? Even if they're only for emergency use I'd expect them to be proven working before it goes into service? Same as emergency exit doors on buses have to be working before they go out every day.

 

[ainsworth74]

they don't access a seating area. By having them crew-only it means they are kept free of boarding passengers to allow re-stocking quickly at intermediate stations

I don't believe I've ever seen VTEC restock through those doors. They always use a passenger door.

 

[cjmillsnun]

In normal operation how often would that door be used?

As an emergency door only

 

[theageofthetra]

As an emergency door only

So it could go around in service with a defect for months/years or until an exam (is it even checked as it's not on the central locking circuit?)

 

[hexagon789]

So it could go around in service with a defect for months/years or until an exam (is it even checked as it's not on the central locking circuit?)

I imagine it would have to be checked to ensure it would release properly in an emergency, how often that happens though, I don't know.

 

[BestWestern]

It's not perfectly accurate reporting, but perfectly reasonable to my mind. Some of VTEC's intercity trains that travel at 125mph do have slam-doors. Sadly I think we need to admit we're beyond the time when you can expect anyone other than an enthusiast to know that an "intercity 125" is a specific type of train. It's pretty irrelevant to their readers.

Incidentally if you're going to argue about accuracy, you did say yourself there "the doors on an HST are not opened from the inside"... I know what you mean of course, but it's a good example of how difficult it can be to be "accurate" at times!

I agree, but in that case why throw 'Intercity 125' in there! That's my irritation, the "I can look clever by going into detail" but with no knowledge whatsoever about whatever that detail is! This is why practically nobody has any faith in local papers, they can't help but try and sound far more knowledgeable than they are and usually end up sounding like idiots! Indeed most readers won't know or care, so why bother? Those who pay any attention will either know that it's incorrect (i.e. us lot on here!), or will have an interest in what they think is accurate information and go away misinformed. Yes I know there are more pressing issues in this world, but it annoys me all the same!

 

[SamYeager]

That's my irritation, the "I can look clever by going into detail" but with no knowledge whatsoever about whatever that detail is! This is why practically nobody has any faith in local papers

Well if knowing about the detail and being accurate is what justifies faith then national papers are just as bad. Alternatively perhaps you should just accept that anyone who has a decent amount of knowledge about any subject will always be disappointed if they expect a run of the mill reporter to be as knowledgeable; especially when the reporter needs to produce a certain amount of words in their report.

 

[SouthStand]

My cousin works as a steward, I'll ask her which door they use.

 

[SouthStand]

She says they just use it for emergencies only, not for re-stocking.

 

[BestWestern]

Well if knowing about the detail and being accurate is what justifies faith then national papers are just as bad. Alternatively perhaps you should just accept that anyone who has a decent amount of knowledge about any subject will always be disappointed if they expect a run of the mill reporter to be as knowledgeable; especially when the reporter needs to produce a certain amount of words in their report.

I don't expect a reporter to be knoweledgeable, the issue is them overstretching their lack of knowledge and making up complete twaddle!

 

[BucksBones]

But it’s not complete twaddle, it’s a reasonably accurate representation of the events expressed in slightly inaccurate terms. I would imagine the same reporter, when asked to report on events in a courtroom, for example, might commit similar indiscretions. Local news reporters are very thinly stretched these days!

 

[philthetube]

I am actually quite impressed by the reporting, especially the statement after the quote by Harry Barker saying that the" train was going at full speed", the reporter states that "it is not known if that is true". That comment says a lot more about the reporter than irrelevant comments about what sort of train it was, for the public it was a train and the door came open, the rest doesn't matter.

 

[a_c_skinner]

Very similar thinking cost a number of passengers their lives before lock wear was identified as the cause and Central Locking was introduced on the HSTs.

I too recall the fuss around these fatalities (not just on Mk3a IIRC) and the protracted attempts to blame dead passengers for tampering with locks. These doors need secondary locks and a trip to the rail equivalent of B&Q ought to yield suitable devices fairly easily.

 

[whhistle]

And this week's 'Local rag journo trying to sound informed and failing miserably' award goes to...

The doors on an HST are not opened from the inside, with the exception of the two buffet emergency exits; all "intercity 125 services" services have slam doors, not "some"; and what on earth is "central driver locking"?

Where do local newspaper hacks find this seemingly endless supply of detailed but completely inaccurate information!? Is there some sort of journo 'Wonkypedia' website?

You must remember, journalists aren't and can't be experts in everything.
The people who they aim their articles at won't be fussed as [the story] gives a good account of what happened. Completely accurate? No. But good enough for the readership.

 

[jon0844]

You must remember, journalists aren't and can't be experts in everything.
The people who they aim their articles at won't be fussed as [the story] gives a good account of what happened. Completely accurate? No. But good enough for the readership.

In days gone by there would be a sub editor that would seek to clarify facts and spot inconsistencies, but many papers (especially local) have ditched those.

It's also possible that the story had more detail and someone else cut it down to fit, without a proper understanding of the original text.

Most journalists don't go out of their way to mislead, at least when they have their name by it. When you see a story by 'Daily Mail reporter' or similar then God help you!