Voyager Door Closure Procedure

[flash]

I've seen a number of locations that our friends up front need a reminder sign clearly stating "DOORS RELEASED RIGHT HAND SIDE" just ahead of the stop board.

I reckon if Guards needed doors released "t'other side" reminders we'd be DOO'd in weeks. Only joking our lever pusher friends

NX

Get it right, PULL levers, PUSH pedals

 

[WillPS]

Not quite true ... On a Class 180 the Driver controls SDO and door release. The Guard, however, is fully in control of dispatch from a local door panel and has the power to open their local door independent of the Driver's controls.

In the situation mentioned above the a Guard would have to contact the Driver to re-release doors as per a 220/221.

When Northern had some on loan they had to adapt them so the guard had full control over the doors (with no SDO) - have they been put back since?

 

[BestWestern]

When Northern had some on loan they had to adapt them so the guard had full control over the doors (with no SDO) - have they been put back since?

Sort of... FGW restored the system of the Driver releasing the doors, much to the annoyance of the RMT who very much took the view that the company had done this on the quiet in the hope nobody would notice. A procedure was then agreed that prior to releasing doors the Driver must offer a buzzer code to the Guard, who returns it to confirm the train is platformed correctly, before the Driver can hit the buttons. Again it's all very token gesture, by far the highest risk is of errors with SDO selection or wrong side release, neither of which are safeguarded by this procedure. Ho hum.

 

[180zephyr]

On our TOC it is at the guard's discretion whether to open the local door first or just release them all, with the caveat that if you do the latter and the train is not correctly platformed it's a serious operating incident. Generally my route knowledge influences how I work - if it's a station I call at regularly with a platform longer than the train and we stop in the same place I release the train doors immediately as it's far quicker. If it's a shorter platform or I'm operating the doors from an unusual position, I check by opening the local door first.

do you by any chance work on swt desiros? they're my local units, and they sometimes take as much as 30 seconds for the doors to release, because the guard takes so long doing the train safety check!

 

[LowLevel]

Nope!

 

[BestWestern]

do you by any chance work on swt desiros? they're my local units, and they sometimes take as much as 30 seconds for the doors to release, because the guard takes so long doing the train safety check!

In my experience that sort of delay tends to be down to a Guard who is rather overly keen on doing tickets, and is pushing his luck doing one more as the train runs into the platform!

 

[180zephyr]

In my experience that sort of delay tends to be down to a Guard who is rather overly keen on doing tickets, and is pushing his luck doing one more as the trains runs into the platform!

Exactly! Its infuriating how long it takes, once I was trying my luck trying to get across London to get to Cambridge, we missed our connection by roughly the time the 444 wad standing at the platform while I was jabbing at the button! Ilike getting off 365s as they're driver relese. Sometimes the eccentric drivers, if running late (like fcc normally do) relese the doors about half a second before the train completley stops!

 

[cjmillsnun]

do you by any chance work on swt desiros? they're my local units, and they sometimes take as much as 30 seconds for the doors to release, because the guard takes so long doing the train safety check!

It took nearly a minute a week ago at Petersfield.
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In my experience that sort of delay tends to be down to a Guard who is rather overly keen on doing tickets, and is pushing his luck doing one more as the trains runs into the platform!

Not my experience. I've seen the local door open, then a good while later the doors unlocked sounder and I was able to open the doors.

The platform wasn't busy, however the train was a rush hour train from Waterloo so there were many people trying to alight.

 

[BestWestern]

It took nearly a minute a week ago at Petersfield.
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Not my experience. I've seen the local door open, then a good while later the doors unlocked sounder and I was able to open the doors.

The platform wasn't busy, however the train was a rush hour train from Waterloo so there were many people trying to alight.

There will always be instances where the release takes longer, it is entirely dependant on how long it takes the Guard to hit the buttons. An extended period of time between local door opening and the full release could be many things; perhaps something requiring the Guard to check more thoroughly before being satisfied it is safe to release, a distraction of some sort, or so on. Generally the delay will be only as long as it takes the Guard to visually check the train is fully platformed.