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TheSlash

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Has anyone else had extreme vegetation clearance this year? In my area, anything green within 30ft of the line has been completely removed. Whole rows of huge trees have gone.
I can see a few noise complaints coming, as a row of houses has lost it's green barrier to some life expired Pan 8
 
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Well I know some psychopathic hedge trimmer has done the area the Walton side of Weybridge, I can only guess that with heavy rain forecast we might have a landslip or two on our hands..
 

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and i thought the title referred to the nr pw redundancy program!
 

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Well I know some psychopathic hedge trimmer has done the area the Walton side of Weybridge, I can only guess that with heavy rain forecast we might have a landslip or two on our hands..

A common misconception, actually trees cause land slips not stop them.
 

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A common misconception, actually trees cause land slips not stop them.

Wrong, the vegetation, including trees, shrubs, brambles etc, all have extensive root systems which hold the soil/earth together.

You kill them the root system dies, decomposes, the soil/earth then becomes loose due to erosion by heavy rainfall or a combination of frosts & rainfall which then loosens the soil further until it collapses or slides.
 

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Crikey, are they going to chuck all the spotters and photters off the end of platform 9 at Stratford? :) :) :)
 

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Darn you Bighat...........you beat me to it !! Lots of vegetation and driftwood at Doncaster!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ezZ3KiKRm8

Heres my shameless plug concerning jungle growth, not much clearance along most of this line, its worst at the southern end through Aston Stones Woods, branches everywhere and twiggs stuck in the cab wipers regularly. Here they cannot cut trees down, its a SSSI and a full environmental risk assessment must be completed before any Notwork Rail tasks may proceed and no blade of grass or flowers may be damaged or harmed>>>>!!:shock::shock:
 
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The viaduct to the south of Moor Street station has been cleared of trees and other greenery in the past week.
 

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Clearing trees, shrubs & weeds from a viaduct is a good thing as it can & does cause damage to the cement work which in the end will cause the walls to fail, hence a TSR or PSR.
 

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Wrong, the vegetation, including trees, shrubs, brambles etc, all have extensive root systems which hold the soil/earth together.

You kill them the root system dies, decomposes, the soil/earth then becomes loose due to erosion by heavy rainfall or a combination of frosts & rainfall which then loosens the soil further until it collapses or slides.

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They also have those great big branches up in the sky catching the wind acting like sails, so that those roots you think so highly of start pulling on the ground. Just think how much drag there is on a large oak tree in a gale.

They suck a huge amount of water out of the ground in the summer, so the embankments shrink and crack. (I take it you have noticed how the track rises over the underbridges in ash embankments in the summer, and often dips as it goes past clumps of trees in the cess) Come the autumn it rains, and the rain runs down into the cracks lubricating them, so the now wet and heavy surface layers can slide off the still dry and crumbly lower ones.

The leaf cover also kills the grass on the surface of the bank, and without this binding layer. The surface drys out and any disturbance sends it rolling down the bank eroding the surface. Trees and bushes also provide cover for burrowing animals, who again weaken the banks.

So cut all the trees down, and leave the banks to the grass, as that binds the surface, which then holds the core in place. Without the disadvantages listed above.
 

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Trog is absolutely correct about the trees.

Whilst SWT Driver is correct to say that the roots will bind the ground, this applies to a degree where embankments and cuttings are concerned.

The biggest risk comes from the water being taken out of the soil and the subsequent localised drying and cracking of the batter that this causes.

Trees within the railway boundary really are a no no, and years ago we used to burn the banks back every summer to prevent large bushes and trees getting hold, as well as dissuading burrowing animals.

The cutting back of vegetation, trees and weedkilling stopped under BR and to be honest was a very bad long term decision, although forced by financial constraints at that time.

Similar decisions about drainage under Railtrack have led to issues now with flooding.
 
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