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Some general questions about the Valley lines, will be having a trip on them in the next few weeks:

1) Services seem to be mainly Pacers or 150s, does anything else turn up on them occassionally?

2) I'll have some free time to have a look around some of the terminus stations and the local area - anywhere that should be on the list (or indeed places to stay clear of)?

Cheers for the info.
 
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If you count the Ebbw vale line as part of the valley lines, I believe this occasionally sees 158s and 175s.

If you are interested in semaphores, I highly recommend you get some pictures of Barry, Barry Island and Bargoed as these are scheduled to be replaced soon. The others, such as at Tondu and Ystrad Mynach are only due to be replaced later.
 

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You dont get a lot of time at each station if you are trying to take in as much as possble in a day. You need to study the timetables and wherever possible change outside Cardiff rather than keep going into it and probably just missing a train. E.g. Change at Queen Street or Pontypridd.

I have done the Valleys a few times over the years on a day out and while it's been hectic it was always very enjoyable.
 

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Some general questions about the Valley lines, will be having a trip on them in the next few weeks:

1) Services seem to be mainly Pacers or 150s, does anything else turn up on them occassionally?

2) I'll have some free time to have a look around some of the terminus stations and the local area - anywhere that should be on the list (or indeed places to stay clear of)?

Cheers for the info.

If your tour sends you to Merthyr, be sure to leave at the first opportunity :p

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If your tour sends you to Merthyr, be sure to leave at the first opportunity :p

(jk)

That's part of the problem - from what I've heard over the years (true or otherwise), you get the impression that some of the Valley towns are 'unattractive'.

I'll be in Cardiff for a few days so plenty of time to have a look around. I should be travelling on most of the lines, but planning on not getting the same train back (so will have between half and hour and an hour at each station).
 

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You will normally find only Pacers and 150's on the Treherbert, Aberdare, Merthyr and Rhymney/Bargoed lines.

Don't bother getting off the train if you go to Treherbert. There is very little there, although I bought a nice piece of corned beef pie once in the local Spar.

I wouldn't bother alighting at Maesteg.

Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare are worth getting off for a break. They have a good rnage of shops and cafes and the town centre is not far away.

I have never got off at Rhymney, but Bargoed used to be OK for a stroll through. It is a good example of a South Wales mining village, with the rows of houses going on up the hillside.

Coryton is pretty much a residential area, and there is little of interest there, although you can see the old trackbed to Radyr going off beyond the buffers for a little way.

Penarth and Barry might be worth a little exploration too, Barry Island might be nice if the weather isn't too bad!

Most of the termini are just single track stubs, with the exception of Rhymney and Barry. Barry Island retains some vestiges of its glory days.
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That's part of the problem - from what I've heard over the years (true or otherwise), you get the impression that some of the Valley towns are 'unattractive'.

I quite like Merthyr and Aberdare. Maybe I am a bit wierd, or maybe it's just a question of subjectivity!
 

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I quite like Merthyr and Aberdare. Maybe I am a bit wierd, or maybe it's just a question of subjectivity!

I think you like Merthyr because it has a Wetherspoon's ;)

For 142094, Mr Welsh Mod is a very good guy to know for Valleys advice. I can say that from experience after last year's Valley Lines challenge.
 

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I would say to avoid hanging around for too long at the stations along the cityline between Radyr & Ninian Park.

Maesteg has gone down hill of late although there is a lovely burger van directly outside the station which does great food.

Barry is well worth a visit however as is Bargoed.

I agree about Terherbert however Treorchy is a nice town to visit
 

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Best bit of Merthyr is the Tesco right next to the station. Apparently Asda is also in town, but I've never had the enthusiasm to find it. I'm planning on going to Merthyr again one day purely to visit their Asda, only to see how their store is run compared to mine!
 

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Best bit of Merthyr is the Tesco right next to the station. Apparently Asda is also in town, but I've never had the enthusiasm to find it. I'm planning on going to Merthyr again one day purely to visit their Asda, only to see how their store is run compared to mine!

I too have heard about the Asda store in Merthyr never seen it though when I have viisted on deliveries or if I am out on a day trip.
 

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I can confirm the presence of an ASDA in Merthyr, having been within literally a few feet of it. However, it is on the edge of the town, to the north.

In other words, get a bus ;)
 

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Cheers for the advice - I'll stick to the places that have been mentioned and just get the same train back from the others.

I'll probably have a look around Barry - seems to be a nice seaside place?
 

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You could walk back to Cardiff across the barrage from Penarth and take in the delights of Cardiff Bay.

The prom at Barry Island on a fine day provides a refreshing walk. You could check out the Gavin and Stacey sights! There is a decent Italian coffee shop on the prom. Also look out for Italian icecream in South Wales, it is very good.
 

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I can confirm the presence of an ASDA in Merthyr, having been within literally a few feet of it. However, it is on the edge of the town, to the north.

In other words, get a bus ;)

Its actually at Dowlais Top right up at about 1200 feet above sea level, the views are either spectacular or you can't seeing anything for fog/rain/cloud. You can spot the remains of the LNWR Abergavenny to Merthyr line if you know where to look.

There's a regular bus service between Merthyr and Rhymney (Stagecoach every 15 mins i think) may save some time.
 

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Cheers for the advice - I'll stick to the places that have been mentioned and just get the same train back from the others.

I'll probably have a look around Barry - seems to be a nice seaside place?

Yes, Barry is fine, quite pleasant.

You could walk back to Cardiff across the barrage from Penarth and take in the delights of Cardiff Bay.

My mother and father are quite keen on the water bus across Cardiff Bay from Penarth, but I haven't tried it myself.

The prom at Barry Island on a fine day provides a refreshing walk. You could check out the Gavin and Stacey sights! There is a decent Italian coffee shop on the prom. Also look out for Italian icecream in South Wales, it is very good.

I agree about the walk. The finest Italian ice cream in South Wales, if not the whole country, is Joe's of Swansea. I don;t know if you will find it much outside this area though.
 

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There's a regular bus service between Merthyr and Rhymney (Stagecoach every 15 mins i think) may save some time.

Beat me to it - if you are planning on doing every line in a day then its worth considering the buses from one valley over to the next.

Also, going off topic, but since people were discussing the ASDA in Merthyr, it's the place of this story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2701837.stm

People living in the south Wales Valleys town of Merthyr Tydfil buy more white socks than anywhere else in the UK, according to new figures.
A superstore in the town has sold 73,000 pairs in the last year, which works out at one pair every four minutes.

It seems that they are working hard to keep the popular 80s fashion alive


Steve Thomas, deputy store manager Asda Managers at the Asda store say they have struggled to keep up with the demand for white socks.

Steve Thomas, deputy store manager, said: "I can't believe the amount of white socks that go through the checkouts each week at Asda Merthyr Tydfil.

"We sell a whole range of colours and patterns, but our sales show that shoppers simply prefer white to any other colour.

"It seems that they are working hard to keep the popular 80s fashion alive," he added
 

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Don't bother getting off the train if you go to Treherbert. There is very little there, although I bought a nice piece of corned beef pie once in the local Spar.

Ahh Treherbert is lovely. A proper valleys village.
Also, depending on the day, you may get to see me (granted my parents live a few stops down the valley from Treherbert, but its close enough!) haha.
 

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You dont get a lot of time at each station if you are trying to take in as much as possble in a day. You need to study the timetables and wherever possible change outside Cardiff rather than keep going into it and probably just missing a train. E.g. Change at Queen Street or Pontypridd.

I have done the Valleys a few times over the years on a day out and while it's been hectic it was always very enjoyable.


I would second that. Some of the services are not frequent and you don't want to get stuck somewhere. I would also check out the lines on Google earth and I think there is still some freight up some of the valleys pulled by class 66 locos so try and check out the times of those as well unless al you want is dmus.
 

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If your tour sends you to Merthyr, be sure to leave at the first opportunity :p

(jk)

Merthyr isn't that bad. I found the town to be quite nice for the parts that I saw, but I wanted the library for some local history research. The thing I dislike about the valley lines, is the way the infrastructure has been destroyed.

Merthyr & Penarth are just single line platforms. as are many other termini, but they are the two I have seen properly by actually getting off the train at them. I see that there is a new loop at Merthyr Vale and they are planning one at Tir Phil, so the chances of covering the valley lines in a day becomes that bit easier.

I managed it once in the early 1990's, but it took about three weeks of planning and the fact I started at Bridgend, being on holiday at Porthcawl made it a little harder. If the Ebbw Vale Line had been open I don't know whether I could have managed it, although I would have had the alternate route of the Vale of Glamorgan line to make getting back from Barry much easier.
 

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Maesteg has gone down hill of late although there is a lovely burger van directly outside the station which does great food.

Burger van? That's news to me and I live there. However, Maesteg is quite a pleasant town and there are several cafes near to the station. Walk along the footpath from the platform to the Asda Supermarket then cross the road. I would recommend Milanos for excellent coffee and super value food. If you fancy a pint, the nearest pub likely to be open is the Maltsters about ten minutes walk from the station or you could try the Cross Inn not far from Garth station. It has its own micro brewery and is well worth a visit.

Barry is a large town with some very pleasant parts and there is an excellent Wetherspoon's about two minutes walk from Barry station. Barry Island is, of course, an attraction in its own right.

Aberdare has a fine traditional indoor market which is worth a visit in itself.

Treherbert has nothing much to offer because it is just an ex mining village but none the worse for that. The main centres of population are further down the valley at Tonypandy and Treorchy.

Merthyr Tydfil is not as bad as some people would have you believe and there are plenty of places to eat and drink.

Rhymney is a small town with little of interest to the tourist but unless you get out and have a look, you'll never know. Like the Rhondda Valley, the main centres of population lie further down the valley at Bargoed and Caerffili, the latter town is notable for having the second largest castle in the UK; only Windsor is Bigger.

Ebbw Vale is ok but, like many places, has suffered from the blight brought about by out of town shopping. It's still worth a visit though but you'll need to get a bus from the station to the town centre.

Penarth is a prosperous town on the edge of Cardiff and the station is right in the town centre.

There is plenty to see and do in the valleys, especially if you are not trying to cram everything into one day. The Taff Vale Main Line is notable for its fine river views and the splendidly picturesque Castell Coch which overlooks the Nantgarw Gap through which the line travels.

Go out and enjoy it all.
 

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Beat me to it - if you are planning on doing every line in a day then its worth considering the buses from one valley over to the next.

Also, going off topic, but since people were discussing the ASDA in Merthyr, it's the place of this story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2701837.stm
#putasockinit :lol::p

Right boyo. I have been up in the valleys a lot over the last 3 years because of my line of work so here are some comments for you.

Rhymney Valley: Rhymney is not much of a place. Likewise its neighbour Pontlottyn. Hourly service only (for the time being) on the line between Bargoed and Rhymney although it is understood that a passing loop is to be installed at Tir-Phil. On the signalling front the box at Ystrad Mynach, which will be on your left (when going up towards Rhymney) a short distance before the station of the same name, is worth a look when you pass it. Ystrad Mynach box has quite a number of semaphore signals in its area as does the box at Bargoed station. Both these boxes, along with the semaphores, will be gone within a couple of years: it is understood that Bargoed will close later this year with Ystrad Mynach to follow in 2014.

Treherbert - Pontypridd: is not a bad route either and is well used. Porth is quite tidy and has quite a few shops. Treherbert itself is OK but it is a pity that this is a train trip rather than a car trip: the Rhigos Pass (as I believe it is called) between Treherbert and Hirwaun is well worth a drive. Treorchy also has plenty of shops and there is, if I recall rightly, a good chippy not far from the station but the name of it escapes me as I have only had cause to visit said chippy on one occasion.

Aberdare - Pontypridd: haven't been up this route for more than a year and so can't remember much. The station at Abercynon has the remains of the old signalbox (closed 2008 and replaced by the rather ugly PSB just over the tracks) on the platform. A nice enough ride but delays may occur if freight trains to / from the Tower Washery at Hirwaun, nr. Aberdare, run behind schedule as the top end of the line is single track.

Merthyr Tydfil - Pontypridd: is a route I haven't used in ages. Part of the line, just north of Merthyr Vale station, passes not far from the village of Aberfan, so sadly famous for all the wrong reasons.

Pontypridd - Cardiff is quite a nice little run. Of note on this route are the remains of the Walnut Tree Viaduct. Remains of this structure are easily found if you know where to look: if you are heading up the valley then you may well see some of the remains from the window and the most prominent is a large freestanding pillar that has various royal Jubilees mentioned on it. The viaduct used to cross the line just south of Taff's Well station.

On the Vale of Glamorgan routes, Cardiff - Penarth is not a bad ride. Penarth itself is, to use a Welsh expression, quite tidy. Barry isn't bad either although I have never had to use the line down to Barry Island. If you continue on to Bridgend then you will pass the box at Aberthaw although this is to be abolished over the weekend of 26th / 27th January: new signals are being installed but semaphores reign supreme until abolition. The fact that no station exists at Aberthaw means that you will sail past a pub at East Aberthaw called The Anchor, the oldest parts of which date back to 1380. I visited it on New year's Day and it is well worth a call.

On the bus front, the main bus across the top of the Valleys is quite probably the X4 which links Merthyr Tydfil, Tredegar and Ebbw Vale. To get from Rhymney to Tredegar, however, you will have to get either bus 4 or bus 20: the latter has a terminus right outside Rhymney station and the bus is scheduled to run in time to connect with the train. There are also buses between Bargoed, Pontlottyn and Merthyr Tydfil.

HTIOU.
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Just to throw a few more tidbits in:

Pontypridd is worth a short stop as you go up and down the valleys. It's quite a pleasant town (although the pedestrianised area is being resurfaced at the moment) and Ynysangharad Park is hiding 'right behind' the town, just over the river. The station itself is also (IMHO) well worth a look: it's a shadow of its previous self, but was once the busiest station in Wales.

As there may not be enough to interest you for an hour in Treherbert, you could take a pleasant walk down the valley and hop back on around Treorci or Ystrad Rhondda. You'll find that the villages have extended along the valley bed such that they form one long strip of little communities. With regards to Barry, remember that to find the seaside elements you'll have to go down to Barry Island: Barry Town is rather urban.

On traction variety, the only places you'll find anything other than a 142/143/150 is the Cardiff Bay branch, which in the absence of the bubble car is either a 142 or 153, Coryton-Radyr city line services (153), and Maesteg, which is served by a 175 on the 0818 and 1716 ex-Cardiff (through services from Chester and Holyhead respectively). I haven't known
 

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A trip from Aberdare to Maerdy is well worth it as the views from Maerdy montain are brilliant.

The scannia' used on the services are also fitted with Wi-fi and I think they also have some plug sockets fitted at some seats.

The Rhigos mountain road is certainly brilliant if you are driving a car however it is even better when you are on a double decker bus as I did back in June 2012
 

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If you're going to do the Vale of Glamorgan be sure to stop off at Llantwit Major and visit the medieval Town Hall and enjoy a pint of real ale in the historic Old Swan which is just opposite.
 

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Ahh Treherbert is lovely. A proper valleys village.
Also, depending on the day, you may get to see me (granted my parents live a few stops down the valley from Treherbert, but its close enough!) haha.

There is nothing wrong with Treherbert at all, it is pleasant enough, but from the point of view of a flying visit, other places have more to offer I think!

Last time I went there I got the bus back down the valley for a different perspective. Much longer than the train, but interesting none the less.
 

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To quickly do the Penarth branch on your way back from Barry, change at Grangetown on your way back rather than Cardiff Central.

A lot of the old trackbed between Penarth and Cadoxton still exists in the form of footpaths, although some of it has sadly been built upon. There are some interesting photos on this site.
 

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Best bit of Merthyr is the Tesco right next to the station. Apparently Asda is also in town, but I've never had the enthusiasm to find it. I'm planning on going to Merthyr again one day purely to visit their Asda, only to see how their store is run compared to mine!

The worst bit of Merthyr is the Tesco built ON the station causing the station to be rebuilt further away from the town centre.
http://www.alangeorge.co.uk/CentralRailwayStation.htm
http://www.alangeorge.co.uk/CentralRailwayStation_2.htm
 

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I think you like Merthyr because it has a Wetherspoon's ;)
Even that hasn't been enough to redeem the place for me.;) Me and the missus stayed there for a weekend once - Merthyr was actually quite fine during daylight hours and the views down the valley from our hotel were pleasant but the place did nothing for my peace of mind after night fall on a Friday night (Which admittedly doesn't make it any different from many towns in my native north east England)!
 
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