Using Off peak return instead of daily anytime

[pdq]

Hi,

My work pattern may be changing so I no longer travel from Dewsbury to Manchester every day, but only twice a week: so I won't really have need of my annual ticket.

I need to travel to Manchester on the 0734 or 0806 from Dewsbury and return on the 1627 or 1657.

Looking at the fares, a DEW - MAN Anytime return is £20.90 but a MAN - DEW Off Peak return is £16.50.

Is there any reason why I can't use an off peak return - with my 'outward' portion being the MAN-DEW afternoon journey, then 'returning' the next day (or next week) in the morning? I know I'd have to start off by getting to Manchester in the first place, but that's kind of one off.

Thanks all.

Gary.

 

[CNash]

The ticket you're looking at is an Off-Peak Day return, valid on the date specified on the ticket and until 0429 the next morning, so I don't think your plan is workable. Of course, I'd love to be proved wrong!

EDIT: ...and I was, of course; misread ticket type and conditions See everyone else's advice!

 

[IanD]

Looks good to me - outward restricted to any train after 0830, return unrestricted.

 

[LexyBoy]

The ticket you're looking at is an Off-Peak Day return, valid on the date specified on the ticket and until 0429 the next morning, so I don't think your plan is workable. Of course, I'd love to be proved wrong!

Here's the ticket

Looks fine - don't know how accepted it will be by the guard, might be wise to take a printout from NRE.

 

[CNash]

Here's the ticket

Looks fine - don't know how accepted it will be by the guard, might be wise to take a printout from NRE.

Ok... so I'll accept that I was wrong here, but I don't quite understand why. All entries for "Return Validity" say "DATE ON TICKET UNTIL 0429 THE NEXT MORNING" - where does it indicate that it's valid at other times?

Usual disclaimer, apologies, please forgive a newbie his questions, expecting a friendly PM from Yorkie...

 

[maniacmartin]

Ok... so I'll accept that I was wrong here, but I don't quite understand why. All entries for "Return Validity" say "DATE ON TICKET UNTIL 0429 THE NEXT MORNING" - where does it indicate that it's valid at other times?

The Valid from date will be printed with the issue date, and the Valid Until that is printed will be one calendar month ahead. Those are the "date on ticket"

 

[yorkie]

Ok... so I'll accept that I was wrong here, but I don't quite understand why. All entries for "Return Validity" say "DATE ON TICKET UNTIL 0429 THE NEXT MORNING" - where does it indicate that it's valid at other times?

If you bought a Manchester Stns - Dewsbury SVR today (6 August 2013), the end date shown on the ticket would be 5 September 2013, making it valid until 0429 on 6 September 2013.
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I need to travel to Manchester on the 0734 or 0806 from Dewsbury and return on the 1627 or 1657.

Looking at the fares, a DEW - MAN Anytime return is £20.90 but a MAN - DEW Off Peak return is £16.50.

Is there any reason why I can't use an off peak return - with my 'outward' portion being the MAN-DEW afternoon journey, then 'returning' the next day (or next week) in the morning? I know I'd have to start off by getting to Manchester in the first place, but that's kind of one off.

Dewsbury - Manchester SOR with the outward journey being on the first day of travel, and the return journey being the last day you wish to travel within the validity period of the ticket.

Manchester - Dewsbury SVR with the outward journey being on the first day of travel, and the return journey being the next day you wish to travel.

Manchester - Dewsbury SVR (as above, and repeat as necessary)

Be very careful you don't get confused, or show the wrong portions! But yes, it's valid.

 

[kieron]

Dewsbury - Manchester SOR with the outward journey being on the first day of travel, and the return journey being the last day you wish to travel within the validity period of the ticket.

Manchester - Dewsbury SVR with the outward journey being on the first day of travel, and the return journey being the next day you wish to travel.

Manchester - Dewsbury SVR (as above, and repeat as necessary)

An anytime single from Dewsbury to Manchester costs £14.80.
An off-peak single from Manchester to Dewsbury costs £14.20.
An off-peak return from Manchester to Dewsbury costs £16.50.
An anytime return from Dewsbury to Manchester costs £20.90.

3 anytime returns cost £62.70
An anytime single, an off-peak single and 2 off-peak returns cost £62.00.

So buying a single to start with would work out cheaper after the start of the third month. And pdq would just need to buy a new return each evening, instead of having to remember to use an existing ticket every now and again.

 

[sarahj]

I'm supprised this is allowed. Down here is you have a saver return, eg london to brighton, you cannot use the return portion in the peaks. This is of course for trips within the network area. A SVR from eg Manchester to Brighton can be used for the return journey in the peak. If you wanted to come back on the peaks then you need to buy a SOR.






Of course I might have missed something in ticket manual book 17, page 678, paragraph 7 and thus need new training.

 

[island]

Just an example of how restrictions vary by ticket. For example when I was commuting between London and Northampton I got off-peak returns from Northampton to London Terminals which are unrestricted northbound in the morning.

 

[yorkie]

I'm supprised this is allowed.

I believe this is the original, traditional British Rail rule of SVRs. Unfortunately most of them have long since been changed, to be far more restrictive.

Also under British Rail, none of the SVRs outside the London area had any 'peak' time restrictions whatsoever.

The only reason there is an SOR on this flow, is because TPE decided to restrict the regulated SVR, and introduce a new SOR at a higher price.