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Use of 1st class when Std is overcrowded?

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GodAtum

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Really annoyed this morning. Out of 8 people in 1st class everyone expect me did not have a 1st class ticket <( Really!? The train wasnt even crowded. About 3 people standing in the door vestibule so plenty of standing space. They had no excuse to sit there taking up space from paying passengers! I know I'm a mug for paying £1000s for a seat but these people are really taking the mickey!
 
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At southern you notice this 'Reading' thing at Gatwick. Everyone waits for the train at the bottom of the stairs and crams on. You walk though the train, lots of space, lots of space, lots of space, crammed coach, crammed coach, lots of space. The CIC shows the train lenght and anncouncements say, use the full lenght of the platform. But it seems only staff who work at Gatwick are the only ones who ever wait further down the platform.
We also see this on summer sundays from Brighton. 12 express to victoria. Back 4 coaches, crammed silly. Coach 2, one man and a dog. You tell them, lots of seats, but will they move, no, they just stand there moaning about a poor service.

And Mr first class, we do try and check first class. On my 12 car rush hour service from London Bridge I tried to get to first class at the back but could not get more than half a coach down the train. I checked first class where I could, but was uable to make to to the back of the train. Many times when you do, esp the back coach closest to the barriers, you find someone in there with a standard ticket...what do they say, no other seats. How do they know, they have boarded the first door of the first coach, there are another 11 coaches!!!
You do sometimes get a thank you when you check first and throw people out, but at the same time you get those who think as they are regular travellers they need only show you a flash of their pass and get miffed when you ask for a real look.
 

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Really annoyed this morning. Out of 8 people in 1st class everyone expect me did not have a 1st class ticket <( Really!? The train wasnt even crowded. About 3 people standing in the door vestibule so plenty of standing space. They had no excuse to sit there taking up space from paying passengers! I know I'm a mug for paying £1000s for a seat but these people are really taking the mickey!

Report it to the TOC then the people travelling in 1st get a nice PF for travelling in there without a valid ticket you will be the one smiling! :D
 

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Report it to the TOC then the people travelling in 1st get a nice PF for travelling in there without a valid ticket you will be the one smiling! :D

The inspectors did come round, thats how I know how many people did not have the correct ticket. I did thank them for checking but one of the guys who got a PF heard me and started mouthing off so I just ignored him. Southern got £140 worth of PFs!
 

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If Southern opted to act like FCC and go for byelaw 18 offences, and ask for three-figure settlement fees, word might get around. Far too many people probably accept £20 as an occupational hazard and bank on busy trains not being checked.

Of course, busy trains are when having paid extra for first class is most beneficial - but I stupidly did that once on a train from Farrington to Brighton.. and everyone just piled in and filled it up straight away. I very much doubt many, or even any, had first class tickets. The ones that perch on seats by the doors are never going to have a ticket as they're the ones that claim they're 'not really in there' as they're not sitting down...
 

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If Southern opted to act like FCC and go for byelaw 18 offences, and ask for three-figure settlement fees, word might get around. Far too many people probably accept £20 as an occupational hazard and bank on busy trains not being checked.

Of course, busy trains are when having paid extra for first class is most beneficial - but I stupidly did that once on a train from Farrington to Brighton.. and everyone just piled in and filled it up straight away. I very much doubt many, or even any, had first class tickets. The ones that perch on seats by the doors are never going to have a ticket as they're the ones that claim they're 'not really in there' as they're not sitting down...

Yeah how many ppl claim they are sitting in 1st due to no seats being available but NRCoC state you are paying for the journey not a seat so their argument is futile!
 
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