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MELIAJ

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Me and my partner have both just received letters regarding a situation where we both failed to show a valid ticket between Cardiff Central and Swansea.

For context we had bought return tickets with the initial date being correct but the return ticket accidentally at a later date. We believe this was a glitch when booking the ticket.

We did not know of this mistake until we were on the train. At first we showed our tickets at Cardiff Central to a member of staff, where the tickets (barcode) didn't work but we was still let through by the staff and so we thought it was a technical issue.

However, when our tickets got checked on the train, the lady made us aware it was for the wrong day. We then asked if we could buy new tickets to make up for this (tickets online were only showing up for £7 each for a single, which of course we would've been happy to have paid). However, she was trying to be nice and said no and to not worry, since she didn't want us buying two new tickets. She advised for us to speak to the staff at Swansea station about the situation.

We then talked with the Swansea staff and explained the situation. This led to us explaining in detail and filling out reports regarding this issue and was told by the person reading us out the form, that this shouldn't be a problem but at worst outcome would be paying £14 each for the single tickets (which I also asked to pay at the time). But he said to not worry and let us through after filling out the reports.

Now these letters have come through, explaining that this matter will be taken to court. However instead of this we have been asked to pay £94 each to get this issue resolved instead of going through legal procedures. This is extortionate and frankly uncalled for. A simple honest mistake was made from us which twice on the day we were willing to make up for, but are now being threatened with court if we don't pay £188 in total. I am still very happy to pay the cost of the ticket at £14 each (which is double the price of the tickets on our app at that time), but this doesn't seem to be the resolution TIL are willing to accept.

It's all very strange since we have been coerced into this situation by the staff in Cardiff station, Swansea station, and on the train itself. We recognise our mistake, but we feel we shouldn't be punished extra for these employees mistakes.

I have emailed this several times to TIL but they keep on ignoring any attempt to explain the situation. I need to understand what the best steps are because I don't know how we could've acted any differently. If an officer won't allow you to buy a ticket on the train, how can you be at fault for that?
 
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mikeg

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From where did you book the tickets and what exact tickets were held? I've had a similar glitch, using Virgin Trains Ticketing. If it truly is for example an off peak return (SVR) or anytime return (SOR) then the return is valid within a month of the outward. However some booking engines seem to print the return date selected on the aztec code, I believe certain silverrail powered sites were big offenders on this at one point. This should not affect the contractual validity of the ticket.

However to ascertain this is the case we need to know the exact ticket type held. Also to check was the journey from Cardiff Central to Swansea? Or from further afield?
 

MELIAJ

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We used trainpal, put in the date we wanted and booked the ticket but then on the train we found out it was for two weeks after, even though we definitely didn't put that in. The ticket was a return ticket from Cardiff central to Swansea. It was an off peak return, but again two weeks after when we were on the train.
 

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We used trainpal, put in the date we wanted and booked the ticket but then on the train we found out it was for two weeks after, even though we definitely didn't put that in. The ticket was a return ticket from Cardiff central to Swansea. It was an off peak return, but again two weeks after when we were on the train.
If you still have the tickets ( whether paper or online) it would be really helpful if you could show us pictures of them.

The thing is, you may have been sold a single ticket each way rather than a return. That could affect the validity of the ticket. Or it may be that your ticket was valid and the railway is wrong to try to prosecute you. So we need to understand the technical position before looking at whether the railway are being fair.
 
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