Unpublished restrictions more lenient than published

[josh-j]

This ticket CRE-EUS off peak return has a published restriction of:
Not valid on trains timed to arrive at London Euston after 04:29 and before 10:00.

Not valid on any other journeys timed to depart after 04:29 and before 08:45.

But it shows in journey planners and apps for the 08:13 service from Crewe, which although it arrives after 10, does depart before 8:45. Looking at the unpublished restrictions there is no time restriction for departing from Crewe specifically, and no general "any location" line, which explains why planners show it.

But if I buy it, is it actually valid? (I hope so because it isn't a rhetorical question - I've already bought it and now wonder if I should have!)

 

[AlterEgo]

If you’ve purchased it against an itinerary from an accredited site it’s de facto valid.

 

[gray1404]

It is being applied correctly. That restriction code is not just used for tickets between Crewe and London

 

[PG]

Surely the any other journeys coming after mention of pre 1000 Euston arrivals, implies that journeys with a destination of Euston are not other journeys and thus the pre 0845 restriction doesn't apply on journeys specifically to Euston?

 

[gray1404]

Exactly the any of the journeys bit applies to journeys that are not to Euston.

 

[PG]

Exactly the any of the journeys bit applies to journeys that are not to Euston.

Presumably then this other journeys restriction prevents stopping short on a Euston ticket if you depart before 0845?

 

[gray1404]

There appears to be a ban on BOJ on the outward portion of the ticket according to the wording of the ticket restrictions.

 

[josh-j]

Ok that does sort of make sense, though not a very clear wording at all! Thanks all.

 

[Bletchleyite]

This ticket CRE-EUS off peak return has a published restriction of:
Not valid on trains timed to arrive at London Euston after 04:29 and before 10:00.

Not valid on any other journeys timed to depart after 04:29 and before 08:45.

But it shows in journey planners and apps for the 08:13 service from Crewe, which although it arrives after 10, does depart before 8:45. Looking at the unpublished restrictions there is no time restriction for departing from Crewe specifically, and no general "any location" line, which explains why planners show it.

But if I buy it, is it actually valid? (I hope so because it isn't a rhetorical question - I've already bought it and now wonder if I should have!)

The second line is about journeys not involving Euston/where the last train you use doesn't terminate at Euston so you can ignore it (which is why they've done it by calling out specific stations and not "any location". So it is valid. This restriction is sloppy as sin and has all manner of holes, but this isn't one!

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Presumably then this other journeys restriction prevents stopping short on a Euston ticket if you depart before 0845?

As someone else has noted BoJ is banned. However if hypothetically it wasn't this second part wouldn't be relevant to stopping short because the first part can still apply.

It's a very badly designed restriction which is applied to all LNR set mid and long distnace Off Peaks other than MKC-EUS (if I recall), the idea is that if it's a journey towards Euston that involves or would involve* a train that goes to Euston then the first line applies, otherwise (e.g. if it's a northbound journey or one going nowhere near Euston e.g. Birmingham to Hereford**) it's the second.

* In practice if breaking your journey you tend to apply the restrictions that would apply for the full journey to each part, otherwise staff will just get confused, though there are exceptions. A few restriction codes, but not this one, state to deal with it in a different way.

** I have no idea if this restriction code is used for that journey, it may well not be, it's just an example of where you can't work out the applicability of the first line.

 

[PG]

As someone else has noted BoJ is banned.

Oops, I should have noted that before formulating my query, but thanks for hypothetically answering it!