Unite Network Rail Strikes Off

[Devonish]

If some TSSA/unite members thought that accepting the offer would mean they had the pay increase paid straight away then they have seriously misunderstood or have been incorrectly briefed.

 

[NewClee153]

Will TSSA accepting network rail’s offer have any impact on the forthcoming strikes between 27th-30th December?

 

[Exscrew]

Will TSSA accepting network rail’s offer have any impact on the forthcoming strikes between 27th-30th December?

No

 

[Bald Rick]

Will TSSA accepting network rail’s offer have any impact on the forthcoming strikes between 27th-30th December?

Yes!

 

[Annetts key]

Will TSSA accepting network rail’s offer have any impact on the forthcoming strikes between 27th-30th December?

No

Yes!

There, who says this forum never gives people the answer that they want. You now get to choose which you prefer

 

[Bald Rick]

There, who says this forum never gives people the answer that they want. You now get to choose which you prefer

 

[Islineclear3_1]

No

Yes!

Prefer not to say !

 

[Smidster]

No

Yes!

Maybe...Can you repeat the Question?

 

[winks]

Latest from the Telegraph:

Mick Lynch holds secret talks with Network Rail as support for train strikes crumbles

RMT chief meets executives for private meeting amid signs public are turning against union

www.telegraph.co.uk

Mick Lynch holds secret talks with Network Rail as support for train strikes crumbles​

RMT chief meets executives for private meeting amid signs public are turning against union

ByOliver Gill, CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT 20 December 2022 • 6:38pm

Mick Lynch has held secret talks with Network Rail bosses amid hopes that he will sue for peace in the New Year as public support for train strikes crumbles.
The RMT general secretary and his deputy Eddie Dempsey met Network Rail’s representatives in a hastily-arranged meeting on Tuesday morning, The Telegraph can disclose.
It came as drivers union Aslef announced a strike on Jan 5 across 15 train companies, meaning train services will be crippled in the first working week of January as RMT members walk out on Jan 3, 4, 6 and 7.
Insiders fear that hundreds of railway stations now risk being cut off from train services entirely until Jan 8 unless the industrial action is called off.
The meeting between the RMT and Network Rail - which operates track infrastructure such as signals boxes - was arranged following a flurry of last-minute phone calls on Tuesday morning.
Mr Lynch and Mr Dempsey are believed to have met with Network Rail lead negotiator Tim Shoveller and HR head Pauline Holroyd at the state-owned company’s offices on Eversholt Street, London.
It is understood that both sides have now agreed to a fresh round of negotiations in the second week of January.
Whitehall sources seized on the top-secret discussions, which were not official negotiations, as fresh evidence that Mr Lynch is under growing pressure to strike a deal.
One insider said the two sides are discussing a “goldilocks deal” in which each can declare victory.
They added: “Lynch is now looking for a way to get out without losing face.”

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Latest from the Telegraph:

Mick Lynch holds secret talks with Network Rail as support for train strikes crumbles

RMT chief meets executives for private meeting amid signs public are turning against union

www.telegraph.co.uk

Mick Lynch holds secret talks with Network Rail as support for train strikes crumbles​

RMT chief meets executives for private meeting amid signs public are turning against union

ByOliver Gill, CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT 20 December 2022 • 6:38pm

Mick Lynch has held secret talks with Network Rail bosses amid hopes that he will sue for peace in the New Year as public support for train strikes crumbles.
The RMT general secretary and his deputy Eddie Dempsey met Network Rail’s representatives in a hastily-arranged meeting on Tuesday morning, The Telegraph can disclose.
It came as drivers union Aslef announced a strike on Jan 5 across 15 train companies, meaning train services will be crippled in the first working week of January as RMT members walk out on Jan 3, 4, 6 and 7.
Insiders fear that hundreds of railway stations now risk being cut off from train services entirely until Jan 8 unless the industrial action is called off.
The meeting between the RMT and Network Rail - which operates track infrastructure such as signals boxes - was arranged following a flurry of last-minute phone calls on Tuesday morning.
Mr Lynch and Mr Dempsey are believed to have met with Network Rail lead negotiator Tim Shoveller and HR head Pauline Holroyd at the state-owned company’s offices on Eversholt Street, London.
It is understood that both sides have now agreed to a fresh round of negotiations in the second week of January.
Whitehall sources seized on the top-secret discussions, which were not official negotiations, as fresh evidence that Mr Lynch is under growing pressure to strike a deal.
One insider said the two sides are discussing a “goldilocks deal” in which each can declare victory.
They added: “Lynch is now looking for a way to get out without losing face.”

What a load of twaddle. I'm sure RMT talk to NR daily anyway, and they have supposedly met to agree to new negotiations, well that's hardly ground breaking is it.

Personally, there was just as much support on the picket lines this week as there was 7 months ago.

 

[43066]

What a load of twaddle. I'm sure RMT talk to NR daily anyway, and they have supposedly met to agree to new negotiations, well that's hardly ground breaking is it.

Personally, there was just as much support on the picket lines this week as there was 7 months ago.

Interesting that a “Goldilocks deal in which each can declare victory” is seen as evidence of Lynch buckling, rather than the government.

Good news that talks are still ongoing, of course.

 

[HST274]

What a load of twaddle. I'm sure RMT talk to NR daily anyway, and they have supposedly met to agree to new negotiations, well that's hardly ground breaking is it.

Personally, there was just as much support on the picket lines this week as there was 7 months ago.

Personally I'd say the people who turn up on picket lines at any time don't matter as to necessarily showing who the public supports. They won't stop getting behind strikers if they're willing to go out their way to support rail workers in rain or sun. It's the people who sit at home with the news/radio on who are most likely to be swung. A month ago maybe they supported strikes only seeing interviews etc. Now I suspect that group of people are being swung the other way as their Christmas is disrupted.

 

[yorksrob]

My personal worry is that with the NHS strikes taking the limelight, there will be less publicity for the rail strikes and less incentive for all sides to settle.

 

[Smidster]

My personal worry is that with the NHS strikes taking the limelight, there will be less publicity for the rail strikes and less incentive for all sides to settle.

Let's be honest.

These strikes are so regular and have been going on for so long the amount of publicity is pretty low these days anyway - it is just another day on a dysfunctional system. At the start you had people at stations and it was leading coverage - now it is often just a throwaway "and don't forget the railways are on strike again" at the end of a travel bulletin.

 

[43066]

Let's be honest.

These strikes are so regular and have been going on for so long the amount of publicity is pretty low these days anyway - it is just another day on a dysfunctional system. At the start you had people at stations and it was leading coverage - now it is often just a throwaway "and don't forget the railways are on strike again" at the end of a travel bulletin.

It takes the spotlight off the individual disputes, but also feeds into a wider impression that the UK isn’t functioning properly at the moment, which ultimately reflects badly on the government.

 

[John Bishop]

Let's be honest.

These strikes are so regular and have been going on for so long the amount of publicity is pretty low these days anyway - it is just another day on a dysfunctional system. At the start you had people at stations and it was leading coverage - now it is often just a throwaway "and don't forget the railways are on strike again" at the end of a travel bulletin.

Agreed. The effectiveness of striking is starting to weaken now as it becomes ‘normal’ for disruption on the network. I think the RMT needs to pull something else out of the bag to make impact, but I’ve no idea what that may be.

 

[Bald Rick]

My personal worry is that with the NHS strikes taking the limelight, there will be less publicity for the rail strikes and less incentive for all sides to settle.

It may well have the opposite effect. when Border Force strikes kick off, rail strikes will be hardly mentioned.

 

[aleandrail]

Is their a valid reason why the new negotiations are not taking place till the second week of January. I would of thought they would start straight away due to the dire state things are at the moment.

 

[XIX7007177]

Is there a valid reason why the new negotiations are not taking place till the second week of January. I would have thought they would start straight away due to the dire state things are at the moment

DFT probably knocked off for Christmas.

 

[Bald Rick]

DFT probably knocked off for Christmas.

DfT aren’t in the negotiations.

 

[aleandrail]

Well Christmas finishes long before the second week of January, unless both sides are happy to wait till then

 

[mac]

Network Rail will be waiting to see how many return to work instead of striking

 

[Annetts key]

It’s a bit hard to negotiate if one side doesn’t want to. It’s not the RMT that want a delay.

 

[aleandrail]

Well the government do want to negotiate but it would seem to be the Conditions which are the main issue stopping this

 

[Towers]

It’s a bit hard to negotiate if one side doesn’t want to. It’s not the RMT that want a delay.

Perhaps there's a view that ensuring Christmas is thoroughly over & done with might weaken the RMT's position, given that the Christmas strikes were clearly intended as a 'big push'? The RMT will be facing a pretty bleak outlook having to decide where to go next in the quiet depths of January & February, and I'm sure that won't be lost on the government.

 

[12LDA28C]

DfT aren’t in the negotiations.

Are you saying that the DfT wouldn't have to approve any changes to the deal proposed by NR?

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Well the government do want to negotiate but it would seem to be the Conditions which are the main issue stopping this

Conditions such as DOO which were deliberately added at the last minute by the Government to kybosh any chance of the latest deal being accepted?

 

[aleandrail]

Perhaps there's a view that ensuring Christmas is thoroughly over & done with might weaken the RMT's position, given that the Christmas strikes were clearly intended as a 'big push'? The RMT will be facing a pretty bleak outlook having to decide where to go next in the quiet depths of January & February, and I'm sure that won't be lost on the government.

Interesting point.

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Are you saying that the DfT wouldn't have to approve any changes to the deal proposed by NR?

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Conditions such as DOO which were deliberately added at the last minute by the Government to kybosh any chance of the latest deal being accepted?

Had the government not added the DOO as late as they did, do you think things would have been solved by now.

 

[yorksrob]

Interesting point.

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Had the government not added the DOO as late as they did, do you think things would have been solved by now.

They shouldn't have added it at all.

 

[zwk500]

Had the government not added the DOO as late as they did, do you think things would have been solved by now.

It was the content of the DOO that sank the deal, not the timing. If the govt had given the all lines DOO condition at any time, it would have had the same effect.
It's impossible to say for sure if the RMT would have accepted limited DOO or the offer as was without DOO, but it is instructive that the two unions not directly affected by DOO did accept the deal that was proposed.

 

[12LDA28C]

Had the government not added the DOO as late as they did, do you think things would have been solved by now.

It wasn't even mentioned as a 'string' to the deal previously and the Government knew full well that guards were never going to vote for a consultation that might see an end to their jobs. Sticking the DOO clause in effectively guaranteed that the current month-long period of industrial action would go ahead.

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They shouldn't have added it at all.

Absolutely right.