Underground stock refurb

[gage75]

Have heard that Bremse Kiepe at Wolverton has won a 10yr contract to refurb of LUL Stock ( am assuming it's the deep line stock) units to be transferred by road,

 

[swt_passenger]

Have heard that Bremse Kiepe at Wolverton has won a 10yr contract to refurb of LUL Stock ( am assuming it's the deep line stock) units to be transferred by road,

Railcare Wolverton was taken over by Knorr-Bremse.

There's another company knowns as Vossloh Kiepe.

 

[gage75]

Doh, at least got half the name ryt

 

[Nym]

I'm wondering here what contract would take 10 years to complete for tube stock...?

 

[simple simon]

Bakerloo, Central, Waterloo & City, including disadvantaging existing passengers by reducing the already low seating capacity in EVERY car to make extra space for people who use "personal wheeled transports".

Not just a few cars, perhaps at train ends, but throughout the train.

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I hope that they prove me wrong in the seating capacity reduction aspect of my comment above and use folding seats, as per the Northern Line trains - rather than the horrid and useless "bum rests" as per the Jubilee Line trains.

The point is that I have no objection to the provision for the people who need the extra space having that space; only that the very minimum should be done to inconvenience the rest of the travelling public - the ghastly "bum rests" achieve the exact opposite of this by denying the ordinary passengers of seats even when no "special needs" people are using that space.

Simon

 

[jon0844]

Fold down seats are better, yes, but sadly people are often somewhat unwilling to move, as I've found when using a buggy on S stock and going to the designated area for buggies. People will not move. If perched, it's a lot easier to move along.

I should add that people won't move even if the carriage has loads of other seats, even before the relative ease of moving along the open gangway connections.

But given the new trains have fold down seats, I'd expect that would follow on any refurbishment work.

 

[Busaholic]

Fold down seats are better, yes, but sadly people are often somewhat unwilling to move, as I've found when using a buggy on S stock and going to the designated area for buggies. People will not move. If perched, it's a lot easier to move along.

I should add that people won't move even if the carriage has loads of other seats, even before the relative ease of moving along the open gangway connections.

But given the new trains have fold down seats, I'd expect that would follow on any refurbishment work.

TfL have required bus operators to get rid of the fold-down seats in the downstairs area of double-deckers, such that hardly any exist now and thus reducing the seating capacity of each bus, so an edict from on high may exist re tube trains as well in the name of 'accessibility'.

 

[jon0844]

I can see why it is necessary, as some people are just downright rude (and spoil things for everyone else).

 

[Mikey C]

Why do the 96 Jubilee Line trains have those perch seats anyway? They've kept them after refurbishment and extension to 7 cars, whereas the Northern's 95 stock have tip up seats. It's not as if the Jubilee line has lots of airport traffic like the Piccadilly?

 

[paul332]

Why do the 96 Jubilee Line trains have those perch seats anyway? They've kept them after refurbishment and extension to 7 cars, whereas the Northern's 95 stock have tip up seats. It's not as if the Jubilee line has lots of airport traffic like the Piccadilly?

I've always presumed it's because the JL extension is entirely level platform access with lifts, so there's a good portion of line usable from the start by wheelchairs (and their occupants), plus several high-profile traffic nodes such as Stratford, North Greenwich and Canary Wharf as well as the main-line stations and Westminster, so there should be substantial demand.

Plus with the march of time there are now more wheelchair-friendly stations on the legacy section - Green Park, Kilburn, Wembley Park, Stanmore, with Bond Street coming soon. So there'll be accessible interchange with Crossrail, Metropolitan with its level access and several accessible stations, and the Piccadilly. So there's probably some justification for keeping those areas seatless. Though I have to agree the perch design is diabolical; those on the 378s (Overground) are infinitely more comfortable.

Whereas the Northern has very few, not really sufficient to warrant full-scale annihilation of seating.