UKIP give Tommy Robinson a role

[Tracked]

Can the thread be amended to reflect Mr Robinson's real name perhaps?

 

[jon0844]

Can the thread be amended to reflect Mr Robinson's real name perhaps?

I think we all know who he is. There are far bigger issues with him than what he calls himself, or how people refer to him.

I do think his motivation is clear; to keep the anti-muslim hatred going. And for him it would seem that the genuine scandal of the attempts to cover up the problems with the rape gangs is just what he needs. In effect, he's happy that this sort of thing happens and has no real incentive to stop it as it furthers the cause.

To jeopardise a court case seems to serve him well too. Either way he comes out a 'winner'. Either becoming a victim of the state trying to censor those who 'tell it as it is', or having trials collapse and people going free, which furthers the anger. Can you imagine if rapists walked free due to a mistrial? Would his supporters blame him? Of course not, it would be the state showing support/sympathy for muslims.

He seems to be quite clever, like a lot of politicians, in knowing what buttons to press. Trump can lie and get support, so the truth doesn't really matter - it's about telling people what they want to hear.

The problem is that he isn't going to help deal with genuine issues with some muslims, who do see women as inferior and fair game. People wind up too scared to deal with the problem, which caused the attempts to cover up the mass rapes, because they'll be associated with people like Tommy Robinson. So what good comes of his actions? Nothing. He just creates more division, and extreme views both left and right with no middle ground because most people want to keep well out of it.

 

[Master29]

Racism? All Tommy has campaigned on is the rape of under children under the age of consent by Pakistani Muslims. The recent court cases, and baroness jay's Rotherham report have shown the abuse of children by a particular section of the population to be a fact.
Are you going to call Ann Cryer, an ex Labour MP a racists for raising this issue in 2004, or indeed Times newspaper journalist, Andrew Norfolk, who went through loads of local newspaper court reports and documented a pattern.
Yes I know other ethnic minorities do sex crimes,, but the over-representation of Pakistani Muslims in the criminal justice system on sex crimes is well documented.

You (and he) conveniently forgets his mate in Britain first that raped an 8 year old girl. A disgusting crime no matter who commits it. You can`t single out a certain group committing such crimes by their colour or creed. They were all serious crimes end of....

 

[jon0844]

I can accept someone picking out crimes where criminals were pretty much allowed to get away with things for such a long time. That in itself isn't comparable to other people committing the same crimes, as it highlights another issue - the fact that there definitely were people that were too scared to act.

But as I've said above, TR isn't the person to fix things. He's just there to further his own agenda.

 

[zuriblue]

You (and he) conveniently forgets his mate in Britain first that raped an 8 year old girl. A disgusting crime no matter who commits it. You can`t single out a certain group committing such crimes by their colour or creed. They were all serious crimes end of....

or the EDL member from Blackpool currently serving life with a 32 year minimum for murdering the 15 year old that he was abusing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-33678178

Or the EDL member from Blackburn who got 11 years for raping a partially sighted 14 year old

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-33678178

Unfortunately there are many more, paedophilia is rife amongst the extreme right. In fact when the co-founder of the EDL was found with child porn on his computer Yaxley-Lennon initially supported him.

 

[SteveP29]

Racism? All Tommy has campaigned on is the rape of under children under the age of consent by Pakistani Muslims

And all the while saying and doing f**k all about white men raping children.
You don't even need 3 brain cells to realise that's racism, whether you like it or not

 

[SteveP29]

Either becoming a victim of the state trying to censor those who 'tell it as it is', or having trials collapse and people going free, which furthers the anger. Can you imagine if rapists walked free due to a mistrial?

That's what I don't get about it, him and his supporters continually tell us that he's only reporting what's already been reported in the press and is in the public domain, so how do that make him an expert on grooming gangs if he's just repeating what's already out there, I just don't see how he has any 'advice' for UKIP that they can't read or find out themselves. I think the tea bag I dropped in the bin at 7 o clock this morning has more knowledge of grooming gangs than him, all he has are anecdotes and fairy stories from his time in incarceration

 

[Groningen]

What does Tommy Robinson know/think about UKIP? He came in the news because of youth miss using (underaged) girls/women. There is connection between both. The UKIP was angry of east Europeans that English jobs. Jobs that English people were (maybe) never to be in to work.

 

[St Rollox]

Has Farage gave up on UKIP?

 

[Typhoon]

Has Farage gave up on UKIP?

Suzanne Evans, formerly Nigel Farage's deputy and once a leadership candidate (haven't they all been), has.

Former Ukip deputy chair Suzanne Evans resigns over ‘Momentum-style’ takeover by Tommy Robinson supporters

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-suzanne-evans-resigns-tommy-robinson-gerard-batten/

From the i on-line, dated 03/12/18

 

[Typhoon]

Has Farage gave up on UKIP?

According to BBC SE Today he has now. Showed a clip of an LBC broadcast.

 

[birchesgreen]

Yes he has quit, maybe he is going to join Blair's new party

 

[Ken H]

And all the while saying and doing f**k all about white men raping children.
You don't even need 3 brain cells to realise that's racism, whether you like it or not

Then look at the stats. Look at the number of people in the justice system on sex crimes by race/religious groups, and compare to the proportion of those groups in the general population.
Also white men raping children tends to be in the family. uncles and step-parents. Other ethnicities it tends to be non family.

Are you calling labour MP, Ann Cryer, racist for talking about this in 2004? Or are you calling Andrew Norfolk from the Times newspaper, who collated reports in local papers of sex crime trials to see a pattern, and was the Times newspaper racist for printing his reports in 2010 (probably after careful cross checking to reduce the risk of being sued.)?
And was Baroness Jay who reported into the Rotherham child abuse scandal racist too, by saying abuse by a certain community had been carried out 'on an industrial scale'?

 

[EM2]

Then look at the stats. Look at the number of people in the justice system on sex crimes by race/religious groups, and compare to the proportion of those groups in the general population.
Also white men raping children tends to be in the family. uncles and step-parents. Other ethnicities it tends to be non family.

It doesn't matter. If you are protesting against child rape, you protest against ALL child rape, just not the perpetrators that don't look like you.

Are you calling labour MP, Ann Cryer, racist for talking about this in 2004? Or are you calling Andrew Norfolk from the Times newspaper, who collated reports in local papers of sex crime trials to see a pattern, and was the Times newspaper racist for printing his reports in 2010 (probably after careful cross checking to reduce the risk of being sued.)?
And was Baroness Jay who reported into the Rotherham child abuse scandal racist too, by saying abuse by a certain community had been carried out 'on an industrial scale'?

Stating that these things have happened is not racist. Protesting against these things is not racist. Fixating ONLY on those committing these crimes from particular ethnicities is racist.
He says that 'the people from Somalia are backwards barbarians', that British Muslims are 'enemy combatants who want to kill you, maim you, destroy you', that 'London is not an English city any more', that Sadiq Khan is 'part of an invasion into our country'.
But he's not a racist...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1069600789809831936

 

[Ken H]

It doesn't matter. If you are protesting against child rape, you protest against ALL child rape, just not the perpetrators that don't look like you.

Stating that these things have happened is not racist. Protesting against these things is not racist. Fixating ONLY on those committing these crimes from particular ethnicities is racist.
He says that 'the people from Somalia are backwards barbarians', that British Muslims are 'enemy combatants who want to kill you, maim you, destroy you', that 'London is not an English city any more', that Sadiq Khan is 'part of an invasion into our country'.
But he's not a racist...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1069600789809831936

many studies have shown that IQ differs amongst races. https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php
I think you need to read an abrogated version of the Koran (In date order) to understand about Jihad. Plenty online.
London is fast becoming a city where people of UK parentage will become the minority. This is from census data.
Islam will be the majority religion in the UK by 2050. This will happen just with breeding - their birthrate is massive compared to white Europeans. Then they will control the legislature and bring in sharia law for everyone. I fear for my grandkids.

He fixates on a certain ethnicity raping schoolkids not because of their race, but because the authorities (social services, police, schools, ) have failed to protect a generation of kids. He has shown this has been covered up since the mid 1980's at least. And its not just white kids. Sikhs, Hindus and Afro-Caribbeans know only too well who pose a threat to their daughters.

There are a few private boarding schools near where i live. They are all expanding massively. One seems to be like a permanent building site. People are increasingly willing to pay for their kids to go to a safe environment. And white flight is quite a real thing.

Lastly, Islam isnt a race. its a religion. Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis are of the same race, but can be adherants to a wide variety of religions. Also muslims can be from Indo-China, the Indian sub-continent, the Middle East, Africa and even Europe so are from many races.
(A race is a group of people whose bodies differ from other races through breeding with a restricted gene pool and a specific environment over millennia. So African negroes have skeleton differences, notable in skull shape and the lower spine, and people from the indian sub continent have a different range of tissue types that make transplanting organs difficult with people from another race)

 

[birchesgreen]

Blimey Ken you have progressed from a spade to a JCB to dig that hole, stop now la

 

[Darandio]

There are a few private boarding schools near where i live. They are all expanding massively. One seems to be like a permanent building site. People are increasingly willing to pay for their kids to go to a safe environment. And white flight is quite a real thing.

Erm, ok.

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-02-18...boarding-schools-revealed-by-itv-documentary/

An ITV documentary has revealed the true extent of sexual abuse at the UK’s boarding schools, with hundreds of people accused of carrying out sexual attacks in recent years and dozens of ongoing police investigations.

In the Exposure programme to be broadcast on Monday, journalist and author Alex Renton - who was sexually abused as an eight-year-old by his teacher at one of the country’s top boarding schools - investigates the private schools that appeared willing to disregard children’s safety, with some failing to take action against predatory paedophiles who groomed and assaulted young boarders repeatedly - sometimes getting away with it for decades.

Despite the years that have passed since Alex’s time at school, the reporting of abuse allegations is still not legally mandatory at all schools in the UK.

ITV’s Exposure made a Freedom of Information request to every police force in the UK and 24 responded. The results showed:

• Since 2012, 425 people have been accused of carrying out sexual attacks at UK boarding schools
• Not every force could provide further details but at least 160 people have been charged so far.
• At least 171 of the total number were accused of historical abuse.
• Since 2012 at least 125 people have been accused by children of recent sex attacks at boarding schools.
• There are at least 31 ongoing investigations.
• Just over half of the forces responded, meaning the total figure is likely to be far higher.

 

[EM2]

many studies have shown that IQ differs amongst races. https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

And that is relevant how?

I think you need to read an abrogated version of the Koran (In date order) to understand about Jihad. Plenty online.

I've read it all, thanks.

London is fast becoming a city where people of UK parentage will become the minority. This is from census data.
Islam will be the majority religion in the UK by 2050. This will happen just with breeding - their birthrate is massive compared to white Europeans. Then they will control the legislature and bring in sharia law for everyone. I fear for my grandkids.

Cobblers, frankly. And that's from someone who has lived in a London borough that is 29% white British.
While I think of it, when you say 'people of UK parentage', you mean 'white UK parentage', don't you? Because there are thousands of people of UK parentage who are not white.

He fixates on a certain ethnicity raping schoolkids not because of their race, but because the authorities (social services, police, schools, ) have failed to protect a generation of kids. He has shown this has been covered up since the mid 1980's at least. And its not just white kids. Sikhs, Hindus and Afro-Caribbeans know only too well who pose a threat to their daughters.

No he doesn't. He fixates on it because he's a racist. Or a white supremacist, if you prefer. Where was his outrage here, for example?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235

Seven paedophiles who preyed on a baby and young children acted "beyond human instinct" and were guilty of "terrifying depravity", a judge said.

Jailing them, Judge Julian Lambert said the men had engaged in "the most grossly deviant behaviour imaginable".

He said what they had done made some feel "physically sick".

The prison sentences issued to the gang members, who streamed some attacks on the internet, range from two years to 24 years.

The court was told the men would drive hundreds of miles for a chance to rape or abuse a child.

Lastly, Islam isnt a race. its a religion.

 

[DarloRich]

many studies have shown that IQ differs amongst races. https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php
I think you need to read an abrogated version of the Koran (In date order) to understand about Jihad. Plenty online.
London is fast becoming a city where people of UK parentage will become the minority. This is from census data.
Islam will be the majority religion in the UK by 2050. This will happen just with breeding - their birthrate is massive compared to white Europeans. Then they will control the legislature and bring in sharia law for everyone. I fear for my grandkids.

He fixates on a certain ethnicity raping schoolkids not because of their race, but because the authorities (social services, police, schools, ) have failed to protect a generation of kids. He has shown this has been covered up since the mid 1980's at least. And its not just white kids. Sikhs, Hindus and Afro-Caribbeans know only too well who pose a threat to their daughters.

There are a few private boarding schools near where i live. They are all expanding massively. One seems to be like a permanent building site. People are increasingly willing to pay for their kids to go to a safe environment. And white flight is quite a real thing.

Lastly, Islam isnt a race. its a religion. Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis are of the same race, but can be adherants to a wide variety of religions. Also muslims can be from Indo-China, the Indian sub-continent, the Middle East, Africa and even Europe so are from many races.
(A race is a group of people whose bodies differ from other races through breeding with a restricted gene pool and a specific environment over millennia. So African negroes have skeleton differences, notable in skull shape and the lower spine, and people from the indian sub continent have a different range of tissue types that make transplanting organs difficult with people from another race)

This is what is known in the trade as rollocks.

 

[thejuggler]

"Islam will be the majority religion in the UK by 2050".

Please explain what you believe this to mean and how you reached that conclusion.

(Actually don't bother I've found the statement and also the workings on how it was completely debunked).

Looks like another case of a lie gets around the world before the truth has its socks on.

 

[Gostav]

There are a few private boarding schools near where i live. They are all expanding massively. One seems to be like a permanent building site. People are increasingly willing to pay for their kids to go to a safe environment. And white flight is quite a real thing.

Look just like the stereotype of Western white parents who always extremely sensitive to anything.
Just like "Terrible! the train horn scared my kid! This can cause psychological problems!"

 

[NorthernSpirit]

I've read through this and its gone from a spat between Farage and Batten over giving Yaxley-Lennon a role as an adviser to lets pull the race card. The EDL is no better than Labour, SWP or other groups of leftwingery and anyway pulling the race card and labling those on the right of the political spectrum as "racists" no longer works as to some its seen as "a badge of honour". I've found that when people pull the race card, its because their desperate as being right - no one is right as everything is an opinion whether you agree to it or not.

I am going to say this, there is only one race and that you will find is human. What our skin colour is is ethnicity and ethnicity isn't the same as race, but because of how the left portray it they've blurred the lines between the two.

UKIP will not allow Yaxley-Lennon to join as a member as it goes against the party's policy, however there isn't a rule stating that he couldn't become an adviser - this to me becomes a grey area as it could pay off, or it may not. Either way this country is f***ed if we continue on the path that we're on.

 

[Busaholic]

I never thought I'd commend Nigel Farage for anything, but so long as there's not some nuance I'm missing in his reason for leaving UKIP then commend him I do. Susanne Evans should have quit the party years ago - she's been out of step with their increasingly divisive policies for years. She should have left when Carswell did.

 

[sprunt]

*writes "Islam is not a race" on a piece of paper, puts it in an envelope to inevitably reveal with a flourish later*

DING DING DING DING DING!

Lastly, Islam isnt a race. its a religion

 

[Ken H]

Blimey Ken you have progressed from a spade to a JCB to dig that hole, stop now la

what do you expect when I am called a racist?

 

[birchesgreen]

Well i didn't expect you to dose yourself with kerosene and jump into a fire

 

[SteveP29]

what do you expect when I am called a racist?

The post you went on a rant on that you quoted Em2 on, didn't specify you as a racist, but if you wish to deem it that way and the cap fits etc.
Back in your box.
Congratulations, you're the first person on this forum into my iggy box

 

[thejuggler]

I never thought I'd commend Nigel Farage for anything, but so long as there's not some nuance I'm missing in his reason for leaving UKIP then commend him I do

One reason may be that Mr Farage could be busy soon explaining to someone in the US why he visited an Ecuadorian Embassy in London.

 

[northwichcat]

There are a few private boarding schools near where i live. They are all expanding massively. One seems to be like a permanent building site. People are increasingly willing to pay for their kids to go to a safe environment. And white flight is quite a real thing.

Really? A boarding school would never employ someone with no previous convictions who develops a desire to treat the pupils inappropriately and there's no issues with bullying at boarding schools. If not a boarding school could be a far worse place to send your child as they can't escape after the last lesson.

 

[hooverboy]

oh dear... in your desperation to show yourself as "enlightened" by defending Tommy Robinson you really don't do yourself any favours... is Jewish a race or religion? the law of the land is quite clear on the matter.... and if you really do have to question whether the Nazi regime was racist or not then there really isn't any point in debating anything with you..

well technically both see themselves as a "race"
to be technically jewish you have to have traceable ancestry via your maternal line for many generations

..and hitler believed himself aryan...again proven by genetics, which is why goerring and ilk were so interested in the subject(and experimentation on particpants,willing or otherwise),as well as the other occult stuff they were into.