UK and Worldwide Tram Fare evasion figures

[uwantjason]

Hi all,

I am carrying out a project related to what tram systems have in place for customers to purchase tickets against what is in place for those tickets to be checked. Then looking at the overall effectiveness of these.

Does anyone have any information that might help or can be discussed such as:

1) Is the system gated?
2) Do they have ticket machines?
3) Do they have Conductors?
4) Cost of Penalty fare
5) How useful are the systems they have in place to reduce fare evasion?
6) Is there any figures out there stating what each systems fare evasions rates are? If so why are they so high or low?

Any help, guidance and information would be greatly appreciated.

 

[andrewkeith5]

It would be useful to know whether you are asking about a specific team system or country?

I have never seen a tram system with ticket gates, to start with, except where those gates are in place because of a different form of a transport being present.

It might also help with your research to place some definition on some of your questions- for example "do they have ticket machines" is difficult to answer as many will partly have some, so asking for either the percentage of stops with machines, machines per platform, machines on the network, stops with machines, or some other measure would allow for better comparison. Alternatively you could define bands such as "none/some stops/many stops/most stops/all" - there may be other retail routes too.

Please don't take my post personally, I am quite interested to see the results of your research but I'd like if I can to try and help you make them as good as they can be!

 

[30907]

It might also help with your research to place some definition on some of your questions- for example "do they have ticket machines" is difficult to answer as many will partly have some, so asking for either the percentage of stops with machines, machines per platform, machines on the network, stops with machines, or some other measure would allow for better comparison. Alternatively you could define bands such as "none/some stops/many stops/most stops/all" - there may be other retail routes too.

Please don't take my post personally, I am quite interested to see the results of your research but I'd like if I can to try and help you make them as good as they can be!

And is it worth distinguishing between ticket machines on tram and at stops? ISTR Erfurt having a mixture, for example, but the on board machines had limited capability. Or is that making it too complex?

 

[185143]

It would be useful to know whether you are asking about a specific team system or country?

I have never seen a tram system with ticket gates, to start with, except where those gates are in place because of a different form of a transport being present.

It might also help with your research to place some definition on some of your questions- for example "do they have ticket machines" is difficult to answer as many will partly have some, so asking for either the percentage of stops with machines, machines per platform, machines on the network, stops with machines, or some other measure would allow for better comparison. Alternatively you could define bands such as "none/some stops/many stops/most stops/all" - there may be other retail routes too.

Please don't take my post personally, I am quite interested to see the results of your research but I'd like if I can to try and help you make them as good as they can be!

Are we calling the Tyne and Wear Metro a tram system?

 

[andrewkeith5]

Are we calling the Tyne and Wear Metro a tram system?

I feel like we're getting a tad pedantic for this particular project, I was just trying to suggest ways of phrasing the questions to get more consistent answers so that the research had more stable groundings.

But I'd say that if we call Tyne and Wear Metro a tram system then we're going to have to call DLR one too....

 

[edwin_m]

I have never seen a tram system with ticket gates, to start with, except where those gates are in place because of a different form of a transport being present.

Some, at least, of the Istanbul tram stops are gated. I found the below via Google images but the article may also be of interest. The barriers look pretty easy to dodge but the author thinks this is not widespread.

https://strategicmatters.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/akbil_and_istabulkart/

 

[londonbridge]

I have never seen a tram system with ticket gates, to start with, except where those gates are in place because of a different form of a transport being present.

Are we calling the Tyne and Wear Metro a tram system?

If we include the T&W Metro, South Shields is now gated and there is no other form of transport within the station.

 

[andrewkeith5]

If we include the T&W Metro, South Shields is now gated and there is no other form of transport within the station.

Same with Airport and Monument.....I'm not sure that I could class it as a tram system though, it doesn't operate on roads at all....

 

[AnonymousUser1]

It would be useful to know whether you are asking about a specific team system or country?

I have never seen a tram system with ticket gates, to start with, except where those gates are in place because of a different form of a transport being present.

given the street running nature of trams i'd agree with that rather than the s-bahn / T+W metro style systems where it;s all reserved tracks and the stations are similar in style to a heavy rail station ( or as is the case with the T+W system were/ are heavy rail stations on at least part of the network)

 

[yorkie]

1) Is the system gated?

A gated tram system?!

Even the DfT wouldn't be 'DafT' enough to implement such a thing, and I very much doubt any other countries do. It would surely be totally impractical!

(Of course having one or two central stations gated, as an exception to the rule, may be feasible on some networks, but that would be rather different to gating the system!)

 

[Quakkerillo]

The only gated tram system that I know is in Istanbul.
Then there's Brussels, where parts of the tram system are underground, and called 'Pre-metro', which look like metro stations, and will be upgraded to it in due course. These stations already have the metro ticket gates installed

 

[theageofthetra]

Where there trams run underground in Essen aren't those stations gated?

 

[Mojo]

There are ticket gates on the Muni Tram system in San Fransisco, at stations in the Market Street Subway, and Twin Peaks tunnel.