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Tyne & Wear Metro : Wi-Fi

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Willie Bee

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Yesterday I noticed several adverts, both on the platform and next to the escalators at Central Station about free Wi-Fi.

I was intrigued, as I was often puzzled to see other folk on the Metro train happily using their phone while underground, whereas my phone never gets a signal.

I asked a member of staff, whether this was Wi-Fi on the train.

Sadly not, only in the station concourse.

Just being nosy, is there internet access on other underground networks .. say Glasgow and London
 

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Glasgow Subway stations have free WiFi
London stations have WiFi installed but depending on the operator you probably have to pay, some stations even have mobile signal these days
 

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Yesterday I noticed several adverts, both on the platform and next to the escalators at Central Station about free Wi-Fi.

I was intrigued, as I was often puzzled to see other folk on the Metro train happily using their phone while underground, whereas my phone never gets a signal.

I asked a member of staff, whether this was Wi-Fi on the train.

Sadly not, only in the station concourse.

Just being nosy, is there internet access on other underground networks .. say Glasgow and London
It’s a trial. I believe there was the intention to put WiFi on the trains but that was scrapped, I think in part due to the worry of people just riding around the network to use the WiFi and associated anti-social behaviour, but also the tunnel sections are generally the only place where reception is non-existent (EE excepted) and that’s only for a short period so people should be able to go without signal.

If you’re on EE (or one of their MVNOs) then you will get signal underground, they were the only operator that put in the equipment with the other networks pulling out. There is some legacy equipment which might get you basic texts on the other networks but for the most part to get signal underground you’ll need to be on EE.
 

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Just being nosy, is there internet access on other underground networks .. say Glasgow and London
4G in London thread:
 

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Wifi seems to need you to download a profile to your device which needs "this profile can read, alter, delete and store the data on your device" and "this profile requires access to other accounts held on your device, which may include passwords and other sensitive information". No thanks.
 

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Wifi seems to need you to download a profile to your device which needs "this profile can read, alter, delete and store the data on your device" and "this profile requires access to other accounts held on your device, which may include passwords and other sensitive information". No thanks.
I'm not sure why the Pop app asks you to use a profile to connect. My best guess is so that they can link your activity with your Pop account to make it easier for them to take action if you access illegal/explicit content on the network, but don't quote me on that. You can connect perfectly fine via the Wi-Fi settings on your phone, and it takes you to a web page to login like most public Wi-Fi. If I recall correctly, there are two networks you can connect to that are functionally the same, one called "MetroConnect" and one named after the service provider "Purple".
 

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Wifi seems to need you to download a profile to your device which needs "this profile can read, alter, delete and store the data on your device" and "this profile requires access to other accounts held on your device, which may include passwords and other sensitive information". No thanks.

What phone are you using? Very curious to find out more about this
 

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It’s a trial. I believe there was the intention to put WiFi on the trains but that was scrapped, I think in part due to the worry of people just riding around the network to use the WiFi and associated anti-social behaviour, but also the tunnel sections are generally the only place where reception is non-existent (EE excepted) and that’s only for a short period so people should be able to go without signal.

If you’re on EE (or one of their MVNOs) then you will get signal underground, they were the only operator that put in the equipment with the other networks pulling out. There is some legacy equipment which might get you basic texts on the other networks but for the most part to get signal underground you’ll need to be on EE.

It was more down to cost.

Providing usable WiFi on a train is insanely expensive, and for commuter/metro trains it's even more of a challenge as the number of users per car can be in the hundreds.

Ultimately, Nexus made the (correct, IMHO) decision that they're a transport provider and not an ISP, and instead focused their efforts elsewhere.

Providing WiFi at stations is considerably easier and cheaper, so this would make sense to an extent - at least whilst EE have been the only operator to install femtocell hardware in tunnels and stations to extend coverage. Again, this was a commercial decision by Nexus, with them opting not to fund the big 4 cellular networks getting more coverage. I believe the legacy O2-funded hardware that worked for 2G/EDGE coverage has been decommissioned (if it hasn't already, it will be very shortly, as all the networks are keen to kill off older 2nd and 3rd generation transmission sites). I seem to recall it only worked for O2 (and MVNO) customers, with a roaming agreement in place for Orange and later T-Mobile customers too.

If people want cellular coverage from other operators on the underground sections of the network, they need to start complaining to their providers. It's the only way anything will happen without Nexus having to stump up the cash.
 
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