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Ivo

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Maybe it's time to change my Custom User Title. The Ultra Anti-Arriva Man :D

So what if WSMR are owned by a larger company? Didn't it occur to Arriva that the fact that WSMR are owned by the Germans is half of the reason that they are so efficient? Is it too late to start a petition (or is there one already)? ATW can run services to London for all I care, but for the love of God, don't hurt WSMR! Go bother FGW instead! :D
 

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Perhaps instead of trying to run to more destinations, Arriva should concentrate and make better the services they already run?

Of course, the answer Arriva would give to that would be "No".
 

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I don't want Arriva to expand and compete, they can't even run their services correctly on current lines..
 

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WARNING! LONG AND VERY ANTI-ARRIVA POST, EVEN BY MY STANDARDS, AHEAD!

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I can't actually think of any operation anywhere, with the possible exception of Arriva Merseyside, that has actually seen an improvement since these twerps turned up! Were ATW to resume the Aberystwyth to London service, the WSMR wouldn't be the only casualty, ATW would lose out too (aww... what a shame!). The simple fact is that the route would fail, but they would have succeeded in killing off some competition.

Anyway, some proof:

CrossCountry: The franchise thrived under Virgin. Shops were available, services ran to exotic locations nationwide (Brighton being the obvious example, but others include Portsmouth, Bath and the WCML north of the M62 area) and no-one ever really complained. Then Arriva stole it, jacked up the fares whilst removing the shop (also known as profiteering), and happily agreed with the imperialistic DafT on what to run and where. Now, we have a farce of a service which is always jammed full. If I recall correctly, Brighton services were curtailed to provide more capacity between Birmingham and Leeds... as though two or three units would make any difference. Not to mention the total lack of increase in capacity between the two.

Tellings Golden Miller: Once upon a time, as recently as 2004, TGM was a fast-improving new PLC offering bus services in the Surrey area. Then Stephen Telling retired, and the bus services were sold off, thus forming Travel London (but that's another story). Eventually, the entire operation was sold - to Arriva. Now, the company is isolated. It receives no help from other subsidiaries (not even from the nearby London or Guildford operations), and is effectively being left to rot. Maybe I should get my father to come on here and rant about them :D

Southend: Sorry. I had to. After a war with Thamesway nearly bankrupted both companies, Southend Borough Council were forced to sell. Along came British Bus who, after several sales and name changes, ultimately became (a part of) the newly-formed Arriva. Soon, they made themselves look like the good guys. Eight new Darts were nice enough, but they were trumped by the acquisition of fifteen Tridents, which set to work on services 7 and 8. Five years later, where were they? Luton! Maidstone! Milton Keynes, for goodness sake! Instead we received a batch of at best dated Olympians, none of which still operates in Southend. Now, all they care about is service 1. The most profitable. So, being Arriva, they decide to increase the frequency, which is good... at the expense of the 7. Not to mention they dumped some single-deck Scanias on the route.

And so on. Put simply, Arriva should die. Period. And to get back to the point in question, if they were to kill off WSMR...
 

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ATN = bad. At least Northern turned it all around.

True... but then they're owned by a continental company as well! It says a lot about our profiteering corporations. (Example: TPE are probably First's best-ever English TOC. TPE being part French.)
 

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True... but then they're owned by a continental company as well! It says a lot about our profiteering corporations. (Example: TPE are probably First's best-ever English TOC. TPE being part French.)

Seconded :)

XC isn't all bad, they did reintroduce HSTs to boost capacity.

I have a similar hatred (is hatred a strong enough word?) for Stagecoach <(
 

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Ivo- in your praise for VXC, are you totally ignoring Princess?
 

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I wonder if Offcom would have anything to say about that ten minute advert for WSMR.
 

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TGM group is doing very well actually!
They are more centred around airport services for both passengers and airlines (staff and diversions).
The business has grown somewhat under Arriva and they are somewhat hands off.
 

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11:16

Maybe it's time to change my Custom User Title. The Ultra Anti-Arriva Man :D

So what if WSMR are owned by a larger company? Didn't it occur to Arriva that the fact that WSMR are owned by the Germans is half of the reason that they are so efficient? Is it too late to start a petition (or is there one already)? ATW can run services to London for all I care, but for the love of God, don't hurt WSMR! Go bother FGW instead! :D

No credit to the Germans due. WSMR is the baby of Renaissance Trains with a little help from Chiltern, which were wholly British at the time of their creation. DB just chose to invest money in a well run firm.
 

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CrossCountry: The franchise thrived under Virgin. Shops were available, services ran to exotic locations nationwide (Brighton being the obvious example,
Scrapped by the DfT, not CrossCountry
but others include Portsmouth,
Scrapped by Virgin
Don't remember Virgin ever going here, could be wrong though
and the WCML north of the M62 area)
Scrapped by the DfT
and no-one ever really complained.
I think you'll find they did! Did you respond to the DfT's consultation?
Then Arriva stole it,
Stole should be "put in a perfectly legitimate, anonymous bid to the DfT which was fairly selected according to their lowest cost:least likely to go bust criteria."
jacked up the fares
In order to avoid going out of business!
whilst removing the shop (also known as profiteering),
Because the trains need more luggage space and room for passengers, as required by the DfT
and happily agreed with the imperialistic DafT on what to run and where.
As does every other TOC; why should XC be a special case. I don't think you'd get very far as a company if you totally ignored the specification set down by your contractors!
Now, we have a farce of a service which is always jammed full.
As they were before XC. And things are much better now than before due to the HSTs (yes, there's an issue over them), better luggage space and a few more seats.
 

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True... but then they're owned by a continental company as well! It says a lot about our profiteering corporations. (Example: TPE are probably First's best-ever English TOC. TPE being part French.)
Do you have any evidence to show that TPE's French connection is anything other than financial? I don't think you'll find any French people in the management or operation of TPE. The best-ever UK TOC was Anglia, who worked wonders on a shoe-string, and started Hull Trains and GBRf.
 

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I wonder if Offcom would have anything to say about that ten minute advert for WSMR.

Fully agree... the pro-WSMR slant to that report is worrying.

EDIT: God the reporter is awful! :| "SMOWK SAMMAN, ON A CHRAIN?" "CHOO, CHOO!" :roll:
 
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God the reporter is awful! :| "SMOWK SAMMAN, ON A CHRAIN?" "CHOO, CHOO!" :roll:

Wasn't this programme called "West Midlands Inside Out"? Wouldn't it be better to have a reporter from the West Midlands, not some Cockney bird who doesn't seem to know the difference between a whistle and a horn?

Mojo et al said:
<Various criticisms of Ivo's praises and comments>

All right, I admit it, I may have taken this one too far. But my point still stands. Even if I have complimented Branson too much, his firm still did a damn sight better than the current imbeciles, although I do appreciate the HSTs. And as for TGM, it's not so "happy" among the staff. Lastly, regarding best-ever TOCs, I did specify First, who just happened to purchase GB Railways towards the end of the franchise so it's not fair to choose Anglia.
(With regards to Bath, there are "VT CAR STOPS" here, so I assume that they used to run here; I for one can't see the point in serving a station only during engineering works unless the main service is suspended, and even then car stop signs would not be present.)
 

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Wasn't this programme called "West Midlands Inside Out"? Wouldn't it be better to have a reporter from the West Midlands, not some Cockney bird who doesn't seem to know the difference between a whistle and a horn?
Trish Adudu lives in Coventry and is a weekend radio DJ on BBC Coventry & Warwickshire, so is quite well-equiped to host a local TV programme I think!
 

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Trish Adudu lives in Coventry and is a weekend radio DJ on BBC Coventry & Warwickshire, so is quite well-equiped to host a local TV programme I think!

Let the children argue it out mojo, theyve got to be right, I mean how biased of the bbc to do a report on WSMR and to show the facs, talk about bad reporting......
 

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I wonder if Offcom would have anything to say about that ten minute advert for WSMR.

Fully agree... the pro-WSMR slant to that report is worrying.

EDIT: God the reporter is awful! :| "SMOWK SAMMAN, ON A CHRAIN?" "CHOO, CHOO!" :roll:

Is it so biased? I mean, having travelled on WSMR, I have to say it is that good (bar a very slightly - and this is really nitpicking - grumpy member of staff. But that was no real problem, the person just didn't 'seem' friendly). It seems like the people they asked were similarly impressed.

The programme points out that WSMR is slower than the competition, and points out that WSMR isn't quite the minnow some people think. I didn't find it biased, it just reminded me of why I enjoy travelling with them so much.
 
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