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I wonder how many of the exhibits at the NRM could feasibly just be fuelled up, batteries charged and be started and run? Forget the steamers - most would need a boiler cert (and I don't think Ellerman Lines would manage that!).

I realise there's all the safety gubbins to think of, but what's (potentially) reviveable and what's just a static exhibit?

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I wonder how many of the exhibits at the NRM could feasibly just be fuelled up, batteries charged and be started and run? Forget the steamers - most would need a boiler cert (and I don't think Ellerman Lines would manage that!).

I realise there's all the safety gubbins to think of, but what's (potentially) reviveable and what's just a static exhibit?

James
Well, probably all of the steam locomotives on static display would have no boiler certificates. So putting water in and lighting a fire could well lead to the decimation of that part of York...

As far as the diesels are concerned most of them have some kind of issue that would prevent it. Although the NRM does have the odd useable diesel.

Is the class 84 still at York? We could pull it out, raise the pantograph and see what happens.
Maybe there'd just be the kind of smell that you get when you switch on an old electric heater.
Or maybe there'd be just be some spoked wheels and a charred underframe left. ;)

By the time a lot of stuff has ended up on static display in a museum it's often either incredibly tired, or it's in some kind of condition that needs to be left alone for its long term preservation.
It takes a huge amount of work and money to take something that hasn't run for years and get it working again.
Things like joints, gaskets and seals that have dried out and haven't been under high pressure for years would almost inevitably fail instantly. That would be the main problem I would think.
 
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Oh no, the Wibble Fairy's snatched my phone!
But if it could be done...

4003 Lode Star - Exeter to Birmingham (via the Severn Tunnel),
84001 - Birmingham to Edinburgh,
Deltic - Edinburgh to York,
Mallard - York to Kings Cross,
D1023 Western Fusilier - Paddington to Exeter please... ;)
 

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Oh no, the Wibble Fairy's snatched my phone!
But if it could be done...

4003 Lode Star - Exeter to Birmingham (via the Severn Tunnel),
84001 - Birmingham to Edinburgh,
Deltic - Edinburgh to York,
Mallard - York to Kings Cross,
D1023 Western Fusilier - Paddington to Exeter please... ;)

Ha, wibble fairy indeed! ;)

Seriously though from another fully paid up wibble merchant I'd have to wholeheartedly endorse the above list Mr Cowley, would it be possible to also include the APT-E on the GW or Midland mainlines please? :)
 

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Ha, wibble fairy indeed! ;)

Seriously though from another fully paid up wibble merchant I'd have to wholeheartedly endorse the above list Mr Cowley, would it be possible to also include the APT-E on the GW or Midland mainlines please? :)
Yes definitely. First class right behind the locos where possible..?
 

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Seriously though from another fully paid up wibble merchant I'd have to wholeheartedly endorse the above list Mr Cowley, would it be possible to also include the APT-E on the GW or Midland mainlines please? :)

I did see a video once of the APT-E group workday, where one of the guys started to spool up one of the gas turbines. It didn't fire as there was no fuel..
 

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Yes definitely. First class right behind the locos where possible..?

Absolutely!
I did see a video once of the APT-E group workday, where one of the guys started to spool up one of the gas turbines. It didn't fire as there was no fuel..

Could imagine there was a few red faces to be seen then! Would you know if one (or more) of the power units has been successfully fired up since that occasion? can't find much info at all on the trains current status, I'd be fascinated to learn what APT-E sounded like under power as I managed to witness the prototype HST during its testing days on the mainline but APT always evaded me sadly.
 

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Absolutely!


Could imagine there was a few red faces to be seen then! Would you know if one (or more) of the power units has been successfully fired up since that occasion? can't find much info at all on the trains current status, I'd be fascinated to learn what APT-E sounded like under power as I managed to witness the prototype HST during its testing days on the mainline but APT always evaded me sadly.

It wasnt a full spool up and run. It was just the starter that span it up. There was no fuel so it wouldnt have run anyway. The video was buried in the APT-E groups workday reports. As for the sound i believe the Leyland gas turbine was also installed in the Leyland Gas Turbine truck. There are plenty of videos to get an idea of the sound...
 

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Ah, my apologies for the slight misunderstanding about your first posting, and many thanks for providing the link...shame the video clip is not available any longer, still really interesting though as I never realised there was so much active work going on regarding APT-E. Its also good to learn that at least one of the original major guys from the BR Advanced Projects team responsible for developing the experimental train is still involved with its preservation. I'm still intrigued as to what the train sounded like back in the days with all ten gas turbines powered up, the sound quality on that old footage doesn't really do it justice, though I guess we should just be very thankful if they manage to get a couple back into working order.
 

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Is the class 84 still at York? We could pull it out, raise the pantograph and see what happens.
Maybe there'd just be the kind of smell that you get when you switch on an old electric heater.
Or maybe there'd be just be some spoked wheels and a charred underframe left. ;)

The condition it was in at Barrow Hill a few years back i'd wager the latter, if anything happened at all!
 

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I thought the Deltic (prototype) was taken out of traffic due to engine issues. When English Electric donated it to the M.O.S.I. both Napier prime movers had their inards removed. They are just empty shells. Inards, crankshafts, pistons, bearings, etc.
If anyone in the know can confirm that.
It is unlikely to ever run again. If only......
 

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As for 55002, the preservationist volunteers from I think the Deltic Presevation Society, have been asked to stop working on it. I think they have relocated to Crewe to do work on either Tulyar or Gordon Highlander.
As for D200, I think she has suffered a main generator flash over. Thats why she was a static exhibit at the 40's at 60 event at the East Lancs. Thats a major ecpensive job.
Also I think I have read that the NRM are assessing their restoration policy due to funding issues.
So it unlikely they are going to run in the forseeable future.
 

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I'm not to sure about the western or the skinhead.
As for Ellerman Lines, there maybe a small issue in gaining the vacuum you need to realise the brakes!
 

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I had read that the main traction motor cabling on Deltic was severed on its arrival at NRM. Any veracity in the story?

Also isn't it out of guage for the main line, or is that just a product of advanced years and too much wine ?

James.
 

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I had read that the main traction motor cabling on Deltic was severed on its arrival at NRM. Any veracity in the story?

Also isn't it out of guage for the main line, or is that just a product of advanced years and too much wine ?

James.

I think what you suggest regarding Deltic being out of gauge is totally correct, so don't worry about your wine consumption just yet! ;)
 

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I had read that the main traction motor cabling on Deltic was severed on its arrival at NRM. Any veracity in the story?

Also isn't it out of guage for the main line, or is that just a product of advanced years and too much wine ?

James.
I've also heard that about the cables being cut.
Maybe the wine actually helps with performance...
 
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