Tube suspended due to rain

[Snow1964]

TfL is blaming rain for various tube suspensions
Bakerloo doesn't even say heavy rain, just rain

Is rain really the reason, or do they mean failed to maintain drains, but don't like to admit maintenance failures

eg message on TfL website for Bakerloo is

Bakerloo Line: No service between Queen's Park and Harrow & Wealdstone due to flooding caused by rain. SEVERE DELAYS on the rest of the line. Tickets accepted on local buses Thameslink and London Overground

Some other lines also suspended, but they have heavy rain, so what is TfLs definition of rain vs heavy rain

Tube, Overground, Elizabeth line, DLR & Tram status updates - Transport for London

tfl.gov.uk

 

[londonboi]

They are not blaming anything they are stating facts. Heavy rain (1 months worth) has fell in a few hours and caused flooding.

As mentioned on the TfL service update boards on the website. Which you quoted.

 

[Hadders]

There was exceptional rain yeaterday. By way of an example I drove through a Bedfordshire village yesterday evening on my way home and experienced flooding on the road causing me to have to divert. The diversions were also flooded.

In 25+ years of driving through that area I've never, ever seen anything like that. Some of the worst driving conditions I've ever experienced, anywhere.

 

[philosopher]

TfL is blaming rain for various tube suspensions
Bakerloo doesn't even say heavy rain, just rain

Is rain really the reason, or do they mean failed to maintain drains, but don't like to admit maintenance failures

eg message on TfL website for Bakerloo is


Some other lines also suspended, but they have heavy rain, so what is TfLs definition of rain vs heavy rain

Tube, Overground, Elizabeth line, DLR & Tram status updates - Transport for London

tfl.gov.uk

Given the Bakerloo line shares tracks with the London Overground Euston to Watford Line, the delays on the Bakerloo Line are very likely related to this incident at Kensal Green:

Incident: Kensal Green | National Rail

Disruption to London Overground services between Watford Junction and London Euston expected until 10:00. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

Heavy rain flooding the railway between Watford Junction and London Euston. As a result of this trains may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised.

Disruption is expected until 10:00.

So in this case, the issue appears to be on Network Rail tracks.

There was exceptional rain yeaterday. By way of an example I drove through a Bedfordshire village yesterday evening on my way home and experienced flooding on the road causing me to have to divert. The diversions were also flooded.

In 25+ years of driving through that area I've never, ever seen anything like that. Some of the worst driving conditions I've ever experienced, anywhere.

I have suspicion there is going to be quite a few flooding issues on the rail network this week.

 

[A60stock]

Both the met and Piccadilly are both suspended Rayner's lane to Uxbridge. I have no idea how they are reversing both lines at Rayners Lane

 

[Dstock7080]

I have no idea how they are reversing both lines at Rayners Lane

One via the siding, while one reverses off the westbound platform MP6.

Gunnersbury junction under water again, a regular casualty.

 

[gallafent]

There was exceptional rain yeaterday. By way of an example I drove through a Bedfordshire village yesterday evening on my way home and experienced flooding on the road causing me to have to divert. The diversions were also flooded.

In 25+ years of driving through that area I've never, ever seen anything like that. Some of the worst driving conditions I've ever experienced, anywhere.

Was it Woburn, by any chance? It was mentioned on the radio weather report yesterday evening of having had two thirds of the month's average rainfall in an hour, if I remember well. Amber warning now in place for today there too (the warning area moved south) and I can anecdotally report that here in Oxfordshire it is raining hard, and has been since before I got up. Disruption to transport and other infrastructure is inevitable. Let's hope that the worst areas are being documented in order to guide planning for drainage and other mitigation work in the future. This won't be the last unprecedented rainfall we have!

 

[DarloRich]

TfL is blaming rain for various tube suspensions
Bakerloo doesn't even say heavy rain, just rain

Is rain really the reason, or do they mean failed to maintain drains, but don't like to admit maintenance failures

eg message on TfL website for Bakerloo is


Some other lines also suspended, but they have heavy rain, so what is TfLs definition of rain vs heavy rain

Tube, Overground, Elizabeth line, DLR & Tram status updates - Transport for London

tfl.gov.uk

not everything is a conspiracy!

I was at Kensall Green yesterday and it was hoying down all the way there, hoyed it down on and off all day, and hoyed it down all the way home.

We ( near Milton Keynes) have had a months worth of rain in 12 hours. it started raining overnight Friday/Saturday, is still raining and hasn't really stopped. No matter how good or bad the drainage is there is a limit.

There was exceptional rain yeaterday. By way of an example I drove through a Bedfordshire village yesterday evening on my way home and experienced flooding on the road causing me to have to divert. The diversions were also flooded.

In 25+ years of driving through that area I've never, ever seen anything like that. Some of the worst driving conditions I've ever experienced, anywhere.

The A 421 is closed due to flooding. The Marston Vale line is suspended due to flooding - we have had loads of rain and it is still coming down

 

[GJMarshy]

Meanwhile the Victoria is sat here all smug.

"Should've stayed underground mate! Surfacing at Queen's Park? By golly what were you thinking?"

 

[43066]

TfL is blaming rain for various tube suspensions
Bakerloo doesn't even say heavy rain, just rain

Is rain really the reason, or do they mean failed to maintain drains, but don't like to admit maintenance failures

eg message on TfL website for Bakerloo is


Some other lines also suspended, but they have heavy rain, so what is TfLs definition of rain vs heavy rain

Tube, Overground, Elizabeth line, DLR & Tram status updates - Transport for London

tfl.gov.uk

Why are you always so quick to assume a conspiracy or cover up? There’s plenty of evidence of exceptionally heavy rain around at the moment.

 

[Snow1964]

Why are you always so quick to assume a conspiracy or cover up? There’s plenty of evidence of exceptionally heavy rain around at the moment.

Not assuming a cover up, its not like heavy rain is a 1 in 10 year event, happens regularly.

Of course it also implies the drainage is specified for rain, but not heavy rain, but how the threshold between the two has been set isn't obvious when the reason for Bakerloo suspension was rain, unlike other lines where it was heavy rain.

Even where I live the local rain gauge on gov.uk is showing over 60mm in last 48 hours, but wouldn't call that exceptional

 

[MaidaVale]

Heavy rainfall caused flooding on various parts of the network this morning, notably at Ruislip (Met/Picc), Gunnersbury and South Ealing E/B Local. This caused track indications to remain down resulting in signals being maintained at danger. In simple terms, a signal failure. Water levels were above the running rails in some cases which caused the track circuit to drop resulting in trains not being able to proceed through the area safely.

Hope this helps.

 

[Lewisham2221]

TfL is blaming rain for various tube suspensions
Bakerloo doesn't even say heavy rain, just rain

Is rain really the reason, or do they mean failed to maintain drains, but don't like to admit maintenance failures

eg message on TfL website for Bakerloo is


Some other lines also suspended, but they have heavy rain, so what is TfLs definition of rain vs heavy rain

Tube, Overground, Elizabeth line, DLR & Tram status updates - Transport for London

tfl.gov.uk

Except they aren't blaming rain, they're blaming flooding. It's literally right there in the bit that you quoted.

The mention of rain is to differentiate between flooding caused by rain from flooding caused by, say, a burst water main.

Heavy rain is still rain. You are making far more of an issue out of this that necessary.

 

[Mojo]

Meanwhile the Victoria is sat here all smug.

"Should've stayed underground mate! Surfacing at Queen's Park? By golly what were you thinking?"

I know your post was meant of a joke but in my experience flooding can be just as much if not more of a risk on the Tube lines with water ingress through pipes and other locations, as it can be on the routes that run at surface levels.

 

[Bald Rick]

Not assuming a cover up, its not like heavy rain is a 1 in 10 year event, happens regularly.

Not in the same place every time though, thats the point. The rain I‘ve had here is certainly the heaviest I’ve seen in 20 years, and the river nearby has just recorded it’s highest ever level. So in this case, it is quite exceptional by historical standards.

 

[Mikey C]

Check for flooding in England - GOV.UK

View current flood warnings and alerts for England and the national flood forecast for the next 5 days. Also check river, sea, groundwater and rainfall levels.

check-for-flooding.service.gov.uk

There are still flood warnings across large parts of the country

 

[Lockwood]

Clearly Sadiq Khan has built a weather control device to justify the ULEZ extension and TfL are trying to cover it up.

Just to add to the conspiracy pile.


Perhaps the entire national rail network should be fitted with high volume storm drains. That will not be needed most of the time, and have a level of cost for fitting and maintenance, with widespread disruption fitting it.

Though that would then give an national underground tunnel network that the rat-men and lizard-people that control the governments and corporations could use to get around undetected...

 

[Hadders]

Was it Woburn, by any chance? It was mentioned on the radio weather report yesterday evening of having had two thirds of the month's average rainfall in an hour, if I remember well. Amber warning now in place for today there too (the warning area moved south) and I can anecdotally report that here in Oxfordshire it is raining hard, and has been since before I got up. Disruption to transport and other infrastructure is inevitable. Let's hope that the worst areas are being documented in order to guide planning for drainage and other mitigation work in the future. This won't be the last unprecedented rainfall we have!

It was Harlington.

 

[43066]

It was Harlington.

There did seem to be a band running roughly from Luton to Kettering that was particularly badly affected yesterday.

 

[Dr Hoo]

The ‘DC’ lines at Willesden Junction, shared between the Bakerloo and the Overground dip under the City Lines near Harlesden. This has always been a flooding spot. When I did some of my first training there, 50 years ago, I’m sure that there were automatic ‘flood’ signals that came on as necessary. (The line had a rather ‘quirky’ signalling system by modern standards.)

 

[700007]

Ruislip and specifically Ruislip Manor always seem to be a very early casualty in heavy rain and that's both the Rail and local road network around the area. The bridge underneath Ruislip Manor without fail turns into a waterway for a day or so. In addition to drainage infrastructure and other related assets, are there other reasons (for example topographic / geographic reasons?) the poor lot over in HA4 are most vulnerable to this?