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Trivia: tickets that can *ONLY* be CCST

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johntea

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Today I travelled with my mother on a return journey to Manchester involving a split with a Senior Railcard (for her :D) ticket and a Duo ticket

So 2 x Off Peak Day Return, 1 discounted with a Senior Railcard
1 x Duo

Not sure if the presence of a railcard and/or Duo triggered it but the entire order was then sent through as CCST collection rather than eTicket so just the 8 tickets (plus a receipt to make it 9 for good measure) to juggle with all day!

On a side note I always thought the Duo product was a Northern only thing but it was perfectly valid on Transpenine Express, perhaps because Northern set the fare I'm guessing
 
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Unfortunately now issued as PRT in several places... and from Southern/Thameslink, not even a proper 'Platform Ticket'... just a retail sundry receipt. Although I did get a 'proper' barcoded PRT one from Waterloo recently.

Scotrail/TfW/Southeastern issue them on CCST. Probably Northern too. GWR are moving to PRT but have the capability to issue them on CCST.

Avanti claim they can't produce them (Avocet/Worldline TIS... no idea what the process is or if it is genuinely not possible? It's not the same process as Worldline TIS with SWR & EMR).

I had a PRT Platform ticket with a blank station name issued a few days ago by EMR... looks odd!

Edit: Haha just realised this thread was a few months old :)
 

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Unfortunately now issued as PRT in several places... and from Southern/Thameslink, not even a proper 'Platform Ticket'... just a retail sundry receipt. Although I did get a 'proper' barcoded PRT one from Waterloo recently.

Scotrail/TfW/Southeastern issue them on CCST. Probably Northern too. GWR are moving to PRT but have the capability to issue them on CCST.

Avanti claim they can't produce them (Avocet/Worldline TIS... no idea what the process is or if it is genuinely not possible? It's not the same process as Worldline TIS with SWR & EMR).

I had a PRT Platform ticket with a blank station name issued a few days ago by EMR... looks odd!

Edit: Haha just realised this thread was a few months old :)
Duo tickets can't be issued as e-tickets.
 

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Today I travelled with my mother on a return journey to Manchester involving a split with a Senior Railcard (for her :D) ticket and a Duo ticket

So 2 x Off Peak Day Return, 1 discounted with a Senior Railcard
1 x Duo

Not sure if the presence of a railcard and/or Duo triggered it but the entire order was then sent through as CCST collection rather than eTicket so just the 8 tickets (plus a receipt to make it 9 for good measure) to juggle with all day!
Not every retailer supports eTickets for Duo tickets, some default to ToD (collection). Duo tickets are entered into the fares data as one fare, but are valid for 2 people. This is different to how many group fares work and so a separate eTicket format - where each passenger receives their own PDF, barcode and wallet pass, but the second one has zero fare showing - would be required to properly issue them.

On a side note I always thought the Duo product was a Northern only thing but it was perfectly valid on Transpenine Express, perhaps because Northern set the fare I'm guessing
Duo fares are only set by Northern. So if Northern set the interavailable fare (e.g. Any Permitted) for the journey, then it can be used on any operator. If another operator sets the interavailable fare then the Duo fare is "Northern only" and has an according discount relative to the interavailable fare.
 

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Good to know.

I'll rephrase that to "when I tried a while ago I couldn't find any sites that would offer it as an e-ticket" (I was trying to buy a ticket for 2 family members and wanted to just be able to send them the e-ticket. I ended up buying 2 advances for a similar price once I could be sure which train they'd get).
 

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Any ticket to/from an Overground managed station, as TfL gates do not have barcode readers.
East Croydon - Norwood Junction (Anytime Day Return route Not via London) is an example to the contrary.
Even the same ticket from West Croydon (LO-managed like Norwood Junction) is another one.

The first fare is set by GTR, the second by RDG (by themselves, or with TfL?)

I do wonder if an eTicketed fare set purely by TfL (LO) exists somewhere...
 

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