Trivia: Silly routing on tickets

[74A]

So if you buy a ticket to Richmond in London the destination is Richmond (London). Presumably to differentiate it from Richmond in Yorkshire even though that station closed in 1969.

However the route on a ticket from Bristol Temple Meads is NOT via London. So you can buy a ticket to a place in London which is not valid via London ! Any other examples out there ?

 

[Bletchleyite]

However the route on a ticket from Bristol Temple Meads is NOT via London. So you can buy a ticket to a place in London which is not valid via London ! Any other examples out there ?

It isn't so silly because "not London" in a route essentially means "not London terminals". So there are a few routes by which you could go via Clapham Jn instead.

The Richmond (London) destination is what is a bit silly.

 

[bradders1983]

Shipley in Yorkshire is still "Shipley (Yorks)" on tickets isnt it? Despite there being no other station called Shipley.

 

[Welshman]

So if you buy a ticket to Richmond in London the destination is Richmond (London). Presumably to differentiate it from Richmond in Yorkshire even though that station closed in 1969.

But through tickets are available to Richmond in North Yorkshire via the bus link from Darlington, so I presume that is the reason for the distinction.

 

[Starmill]

Shipley in Yorkshire is still "Shipley (Yorks)" on tickets isnt it? Despite there being no other station called Shipley.

There is however a station called Shirley! Or, SHIRLEY W MIDS as it goes by :P

Similarly there's nowhere else called Marsden apart from MARSDEN YORKS, but there is MARDEN KENT.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Shipley in Yorkshire is still "Shipley (Yorks)" on tickets isnt it? Despite there being no other station called Shipley.

There's Shepley, but that's also in Yorkshire... (Shirley, as mentioned above, is more likely the reason for the clarification).

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

So if you buy a ticket to Richmond in London the destination is Richmond (London). Presumably to differentiate it from Richmond in Yorkshire even though that station closed in 1969.

However the route on a ticket from Bristol Temple Meads is NOT via London. So you can buy a ticket to a place in London which is not valid via London ! Any other examples out there ?

On that particular route it would be change at Reading on to SWT to Richmond. Via London being via Paddington and Waterloo.

It would be a close call in timing, Reading to Richmond on SWT is slow, against having to cross London and travel out to Richmond.

I used to frequenty travel Feltham to Didcot and it was just about quicker (as well as cheaper) via Reading rather than Paddington.

 

[sheff1]

Swindon (Wilts) is a strange one as there are no similarly named stations and the other Swindons in the country are tiny places that very few will be aware of.

If the intention is to differentiate it from the latter then how come, on the same line, we get Newport S.Wales on tickets when there is another Newport in South Wales without a station.

 

[cuccir]

Swindon (Wilts) is a strange one as there are no similarly named stations and the other Swindons in the country are tiny places that very few will be aware of.

If the intention is to differentiate it from the latter then how come, on the same line, we get Newport S.Wales on tickets when there is another Newport in South Wales without a station.

Is it intended to differentiate it from the two Swintons I wonder? The words are almost homonyms

 

[sheff1]

Is it intended to differentiate it from the two Swintons I wonder? The words are almost homonyms

You could be right - had not thought of those.

 

[DarloRich]

So if you buy a ticket to Richmond in London the destination is Richmond (London). Presumably to differentiate it from Richmond in Yorkshire even though that station closed in 1969.

However the route on a ticket from Bristol Temple Meads is NOT via London. So you can buy a ticket to a place in London which is not valid via London ! Any other examples out there ?

Are through bus tickets to Richmond ( the REAL Richmond not the cockney one ) no longer available?

 

[greatkingrat]

Yes, there are still through tickets available for the bus from Darlington to "Richmond Yks Bus"

 

[TUC]

Selby to Kings Cross tickets not valid via York are marked as 'via Doncaster' which is meaningless since every ECML service goes via Doncaster (OK, a few don't actually stop there, but most do and all go via that route, including a lot for which this ticket would not be valid if you stayed on until York.) It's the fact that you can't go via York which is relevant, not whether it goes via Doncaster. Why does it not simply state 'Not via York'?

 

[ComUtoR]

So if you buy a ticket to Richmond in London the destination is Richmond (London). Presumably to differentiate it from Richmond in Yorkshire even though that station closed in 1969.

When I buy a train ticket, I buy to a geographic location NOT a railway station. If I am using the tinterweb I need to know that I am booking the correct ticket.

 

[SeanG]

Selby to Kings Cross tickets not valid via York are marked as 'via Doncaster' which is meaningless since every ECML service goes via Doncaster (OK, a few don't actually stop there, but most do and all go via that route, including a lot for which this ticket would not be valid if you stayed on until York.) It's the fact that you can't go via York which is relevant, not whether it goes via Doncaster. Why does it not simply state 'Not via York'?

What would the situation be if you travelled to York (via Doncaster) and then onto Selby? You would technically not have a valid ticket but if you thought that you were following it correctly.... Hopefully common sense would prevail.

 

[Welshman]

Are through bus tickets to Richmond ( the REAL Richmond not the cockney one ) no longer available?

Well, they were at 1106 today in #4

 

[JamesRowden]

Reading to Dorking Via Clapham Junction Not London Terminals

It is quicker, cheaper and faster to use the `Via Gomshall' tickets. Perhaps the routing is meant to attract people from GWR to SWT during Engineering works between Wokingham and Dorking Deepdene.

 

[NSE]

Swindon (Wilts) is a strange one as there are no similarly named stations and the other Swindons in the country are tiny places that very few will be aware of.

If the intention is to differentiate it from the latter then how come, on the same line, we get Newport S.Wales on tickets when there is another Newport in South Wales without a station.

Probably to differentiate it from Newport in Essex which is on the railway network and is served regularly all seven days of the week

 

[Parallel]

Swindon (Wilts) is a strange one as there are no similarly named stations and the other Swindons in the country are tiny places that very few will be aware of.

Possibly to differentiate between Swinton (Manchester) and Swinton (South Yorks)? If you say them aloud, they do sound very similar. Could cause issues at a ticket office.

 

[causton]

Sold a ticket today Watford Junction to Hackney Wick. Two routes available, Any Permitted and Via Hackney Wick! As they were the same price I sold the Via Hackney Wick one

 

[Lockwood]

But what if they wanted to go there without going there!
You restricted that passenger's movement for your own pleasure!

 

[transportphoto]

Sold a ticket today Watford Junction to Hackney Wick. Two routes available, Any Permitted and Via Hackney Wick! As they were the same price I sold the Via Hackney Wick one

One is set by London Midland, the other by London Overground... but they're not the same price?

TP

 

[causton]

One is set by London Midland, the other by London Overground... but they're not the same price?

TP

I do not know what that £14.40 LM set fare is doing there as I did not see it in my TIS.

I only saw these fares (and the £22.60 returns) when I looked!

 

[kieron]

Selby to Kings Cross tickets not valid via York are marked as 'via Doncaster' which is meaningless since every ECML service goes via Doncaster (OK, a few don't actually stop there, but most do and all go via that route, including a lot for which this ticket would not be valid if you stayed on until York.) It's the fact that you can't go via York which is relevant, not whether it goes via Doncaster. Why does it not simply state 'Not via York'?

You can buy "via Doncaster" tickets with an itinerary via York. What you can't do is go via Leeds and Barnsley/Moorthorpe.

Sold a ticket today Watford Junction to Hackney Wick. Two routes available, Any Permitted and Via Hackney Wick! As they were the same price I sold the Via Hackney Wick one

I don't suppose you get too many people going that way with paper tickets these days.

The route may get changed once the right people know about it, though. There were Manchester-Darwen tickets with route "via Darwen", which are now "via Bromley X" instead (Bromley X referring to a station between Darwen and Bolton).

brfares says that there are also +Any Permitted Watford Junction-Hackney Wick tickets at a different price (dearer singles, cheaper return, with an off-peak day return also available), but it may be getting confused with something else.