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Trivia: Hail-and-ride rail services

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Was just reading about Alaska's Aurora Winter train, which offers a hail-and-ride service on a ~50 mile stretch of track through roadless backcountry. Passengers can flag the train down and board/disembark at any point, with no stations, just a specified "mileage marker". I was wondering if anyone had heard of or experienced similar services?
 
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Inlandsbanan can work a bit like that. Officially they only stop at stations, but they can be a bit flexible.

 

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Historically this is how the Manx Electric Railway operated, effectively stopping at any pole number on demand.
 

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My trip on the Haltwhistle to Alston branch a year or two before closure included some unofficial hail and riding!
 

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Was just reading about Alaska's Aurora Winter train, which offers a hail-and-ride service on a ~50 mile stretch of track through roadless backcountry. Passengers can flag the train down and board/disembark at any point, with no stations, just a specified "mileage marker". I was wondering if anyone had heard of or experienced similar services?
The trains must have to travel at a very low speed to allow such a system to work. A train needs quite a good distance to brake. It is not going to work well if passengers have to walk a good distance down the tracks to catch up with where it stops. I suppose it only really works with very low speed branch lines where the train can brake quickly.
 

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The trains must have to travel at a very low speed to allow such a system to work. A train needs quite a good distance to brake. It is not going to work well if passengers have to walk a good distance down the tracks to catch up with where it stops. I suppose it only really works with very low speed branch lines where the train can brake quickly.

I got the train from Abchorage to Fairbanks some time ago.
I wouldn't call it a branch line, though we only passed one train in the whole time.

It was in October, at which point the Winter service of one train a week ran.
The train consisted of a locomotive, baggage car, and single coach (I think the summer they get a bit longer)
Catering was a fridge with sandwiches in and a margarine pot on top with a slot in to put your money through.
I don't think there were many other tourists on it.

As it was northbound, people were getting off in the middle of nowhere rather than on.
The whole thing was quite an experience - the conductor came down with a notepad and people told him the milepost they wanted.
Then at the stops people got off with their supplies from the baggage car - and some had quite a lot of stuff - big boxes, timber, gas cylinder, barrels, crates of beer, dogs.... all handed down to track level.
The stops seemed to be in the middle of nowhere - not even a sign of a trail going into the woods.
Two people got off at a river bridge with an inflatable dinghy.

I don't know what happened going south the next day to pick people up (I flew back - also interesting in a mixed passenger and cargo 737).
Perhaps they knew to stop at the places they dropped people off at?

I have never done anything else like it.

Edited:
Actually having dug out my photos I see that in fact the catering was more elaborate than I remembered. There was also a table with a hot water urn and things to make yourself a hot drink with.
 
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There were timetabled stops in the working timetable in some rural areas, especially in Scotland where trains stopped to pick up and drop off families of railway workers at level crossings and similar points.
 

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There is a secret stop on the weekend, only 2 trains at 0816 and 0916 from Paris Gare de Lyon, on the Transillien R in Paris that gets you, from Paris only and set-down only, in the middle of the Fontainebleau forest, mostly used by cyclists.


Not sure that counts as a hail and ride (since it's set down only duh), but it certainly stops in the near middle of nowhere, the platform as you can see being extremely shallow and unmarked.
 

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There is a secret stop on the weekend, only 2 trains at 0816 and 0916 from Paris Gare de Lyon, on the Transillien R in Paris that gets you, from Paris only and set-down only, in the middle of the Fontainebleau forest, mostly used by cyclists.


Not sure that counts as a hail and ride (since it's set down only duh), but it certainly stops in the near middle of nowhere, the platform as you can see being extremely shallow and unmarked.
That is very interesting!

Presumably the cyclists return from a normal station, demonstrating a rare example of a useful unidirectional stop!
 

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Not sure that counts as a hail and ride (since it's set down only duh), but it certainly stops in the near middle of nowhere, the platform as you can see being extremely shallow and unmarked.

Although some countries manage stations that have regular services with platforms even less impressive than that, and not much in the way of signage.
 
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Certainly a thing in rural Canada.
A few years ago when we were on the train from Jasper to Prince Rupert, overnighting in Prince George, an elderly gentleman whom I understood had caught the incoming train into Jasper to pick up supplies was on our train.

We reached a point in what seemed the middle of nowhere in amongst all the trees, but I seem to remember there was a track crossing the line at this point, the train stopped and he alighted and the train crew helped lift down lots of packages for him and then we watched him head off, gun over this shoulder, carrying as much as he could to his remote home in the forest. We were told he would come back for the rest of the stuff.

Seems he sent a message to VIA rail when he wanted to make the journey and they knew to pick him up incoming and let him off on the return journey.
 

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Back in March 1974 I crossed Canada from Vancouver to Toronto on the CN transcontinental train. Crossing the Rockies and the Prairies it just stopped at stations, but after Winnipeg it entered the Canadian Shield which is just a succession of lakes and trees. It got dark and I remember several stops with no obvious station. One sticks in the memory -the train halted, pitch black outside, nothing for a minute, then in the distance a light appeared. This got closer and revealed itself as a Skidoo. It swerved to be parallel to the train. Then a passenger hopped off the train and onto the back of the Skidoo and away they went as the train set off too.
 

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Back in March 1974 I crossed Canada from Vancouver to Toronto on the CN transcontinental train. Crossing the Rockies and the Prairies it just stopped at stations, but after Winnipeg it entered the Canadian Shield which is just a succession of lakes and trees. It got dark and I remember several stops with no obvious station. One sticks in the memory -the train halted, pitch black outside, nothing for a minute, then in the distance a light appeared. This got closer and revealed itself as a Skidoo. It swerved to be parallel to the train. Then a passenger hopped off the train and onto the back of the Skidoo and away they went as the train set off too.

Not really a hail and ride because I think it was a timetabled "flag stop", but on the Ocean a few years ago between Halifax and Montreal we stopped in the middle of nowhere and I assumed we were just waiting for a train to pass - then I saw someone climbing up into the train from a car.
 

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The trains must have to travel at a very low speed to allow such a system to work. A train needs quite a good distance to brake. It is not going to work well if passengers have to walk a good distance down the tracks to catch up with where it stops. I suppose it only really works with very low speed branch lines where the train can brake quickly.
I should imagine that most would not be true “hail and ride” but one stage down from request stops - in other words “ these are places where we will stop if required” (presumably crossings or anywhere there is a remote settlement)
 

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I should imagine that most would not be true “hail and ride” but one stage down from request stops - in other words “ these are places where we will stop if required” (presumably crossings or anywhere there is a remote settlement)

I don't think that's how it works in Alaska.

No crossings (there weren't roads) or even apparent tracks through the woods in some cases.
The passengers seemed to be just providing mileages.

I don't know how it is now but some time ago I think in Canada you could book a stop at an arbitrary location on some of the long distance trains, rather than having to pick from a list of potential stops.
 

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I don't think that's how it works in Alaska.

No crossings (there weren't roads) or even apparent tracks through the woods in some cases.
The passengers seemed to be just providing mileages.

I don't know how it is now but some time ago I think in Canada you could book a stop at an arbitrary location on some of the long distance trains, rather than having to pick from a list of potential stops.
OK - but that sounds at least more operationally manageable than true “hail and ride” (ie you give advance notice rather than just sticking your hand out at a random fence post and expecting the train to stop)
 

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Historically this is how the Manx Electric Railway operated, effectively stopping at any pole number on demand.
I stopped one earlier this year, I had been for a walk and couldn't reach the stop in time for the next train, I stuck out my hand and the driver stopped, no one commented on this, I have no idea if this is what is still supposed to happen.
 

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In theory it’s designated stops only now, but in practice the drivers will stop anywhere it is safe to do so.
 

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My trip on the Haltwhistle to Alston branch a year or two before closure included some unofficial hail and riding!
As did mine. Not experienced that anywhere else in GB, but I daresay it happened :)
 

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Inlandsbanan can work a bit like that. Officially they only stop at stations, but they can be a bit flexible.
Seconding this, I got off the Inlandsbanan at a level crossing I asked the driver to stop at. The conductor also told us about how for some lake holiday houses in the area, you're expected to message Inlandsbanan beforehand and they'll stop and pick up.

I've also found this video of a literal rail bus in Bolivia running from Charaña to Viacha, that has a very down-to-earth operational style with hail-and-ride pick up and drop offs:
 
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OK - but that sounds at least more operationally manageable than true “hail and ride” (ie you give advance notice rather than just sticking your hand out at a random fence post and expecting the train to stop)

It certainly does.
 

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On the narrow gauge Austrian branch to Groß Gerungs (back in the days when it had a proper service) the unit made a stop at a level crossing to drop off one passenger. Definitely not a proper halt, and it seemed like a regular thing.
 

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On the narrow gauge Austrian branch to Groß Gerungs (back in the days when it had a proper service) the unit made a stop at a level crossing to drop off one passenger. Definitely not a proper halt, and it seemed like a regular thing.

Some years ago I was on an Amtrak train where a passenger missed their stop. They were offered the option of being dropped off at the next grade crossing, though I don't think they took up the offer.
 
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